IC Source tiering?

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Re: IC Source tiering?

Postby Kaream » Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:13 pm

There is nothing beneficial in this thread. :|
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Re: IC Source tiering?

Postby Kaream » Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:14 pm

no edit button. Damn
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Re: IC Source tiering?

Postby Mastamind » Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:22 pm

This is getting pointless.
I for one think that this is a good idea. Not that I support it, but I can see where both sides are coming from. The only reason I can't see this happening is because tiers are only useful where you have a very complex competition, where the competition is so tight that the tiers are what determine the difference between success and failure. AFAIK, Iron chefs are not that complex, or at all much of a head-on, direct competition (at least to the point where the competitors actually play to win). However gotegenks has a valid point, and arguing with that point will never get you anywhere. It's been established that many people honestly don't care about the sources used, but I'm of the same mindset as gotegenks as of this point.
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Re: IC Source tiering?

Postby gotegenks » Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:47 pm

Mastamind wrote:This is getting pointless.
I for one think that this is a good idea. Not that I support it, but I can see where both sides are coming from. The only reason I can't see this happening is because tiers are only useful where you have a very complex competition, where the competition is so tight that the tiers are what determine the difference between success and failure. AFAIK, Iron chefs are not that complex, or at all much of a head-on, direct competition (at least to the point where the competitors actually play to win). However gotegenks has a valid point, and arguing with that point will never get you anywhere. It's been established that many people honestly don't care about the sources used, but I'm of the same mindset as gotegenks as of this point.

gotegenks wrote:I HIGHLY doubt that would ever happen. Even if the Org went so far as to do this crap, people would end up ignoring it. Even if they didn't ignore it it's not like there would be enough ics to make unpopular sources popular, and even if there WERE enough ics, the majority of ics here are never uploaded from what i understand.

ICs aren't really big or competitive enough to implement something so complex though. I just wanted to see what everyone else thought about it.

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now.../thread...please?
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Re: IC Source tiering?

Postby Pwolf » Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:14 pm

People could just do IC's like they should be done and both editors have to use the same video source... Like how the official IC/IE's are done.
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Re: IC Source tiering?

Postby JaddziaDax » Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:01 pm

but the problem with that Pwolf is that not everyone has the same sources..

However I do agree with your statement that's how it should be done... often times they are done with "whatever is sitting on my hd" at the time.
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Re: IC Source tiering?

Postby Pwolf » Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:14 pm

JaddziaDax wrote:but the problem with that Pwolf is that not everyone has the same sources..

However I do agree with your statement that's how it should be done... often times they are done with "whatever is sitting on my hd" at the time.


I'm just saying, if you're that worried about your source being your handicap then only do an IC with the same video sources. Otherwise, make sure your judges are good and aren't going to judge your video based on animation quality.
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Re: IC Source tiering?

Postby JaddziaDax » Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:50 am

Completely agreed. I was playing devil's advocate.
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Re: IC Source tiering?

Postby CastielTheFallen » Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:58 am

gotegenks wrote:
JaddziaDax wrote:
gotegenks wrote:I was mostly trying to argue his ability to like anything based on quality of editing alone. LIKE it, not appreciate.


I don't have to entirely like every single thing about a video for it to win a vote from me. As I said, most of weather or not I "like" a video is not based on sources but weather or not I like the concept and execution. In other words: the EDITING. You must be getting some pretty bad judges if they can't see past the sources. IC in my opinion is rarely about the sources, but more so about the editor's ability.

Ah yes, and since your "god tier" is so easy to edit with it's sweeping camera movements and intentional music sync, and your "shit tier" is so hard with all its duplicate animation and still frames, shouldn't it be named the other way around? Cause the way you make it sound, it's as though you need to be a "god editor" to be able to work with and win with a "shit tier" anime.

*Anyway as someone already mentioned the "quality tiering" would all be subjective... if you really wanted to make an IC completely fair you would use the same exact sources as your opponent.


I GET IT! you can see past liking a video, he said he could like anything that was "well edited"

Nobody consciously takes sources into account, how many times do i have to say this. It's easier to build a comfortable chair when you have cushions already made as opposed to having wood and some cotton. that's all i was getting at.

...srsly? the tier labels have to do with the sources involved, and i just stole those names from 4chan so you don't have to attack the structure, it doesn't matter, this would never happen anyway.

Good idea, good different idea, i'm sure a lot of people already do that, or should do that.

jaddziadax wrote:If editors are on the "same (exact) skill level" then the IC is to prove who can make a better presentation in a short amount of time.

Is a presenter not going to make a better presentation if he has an electronic whiteboard w/internet and a pen tablet as opposed to the presenter using a traditional blackboard and chalk? It's possible, but these are presenters on the exact same skill level, most likely the whiteboard-wielding clone will do better as he has more tools and more resources available to him, and unless the blackboard clone is good at drawing, he's going to have a rougher time getting his audience to visualize his idea or message or w/e the hell he's presenting.


Herpderp sources being easy to edit with are subjective, again. To you perhaps .hack is a cushion, to somebody else it may be the wood and cotton.

Herpderp the video source doesn't matter contumaciously or unconsciously.

In the end, most people ALREADY choose a list of source they enjoy editing with anyway. That's why you're allowed to list your 5 sources, whatever they may be.

This topic is retarded. :|
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Re: IC Source tiering?

Postby outlawed » Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:49 pm

This thread is an example of what happens when AMV creators come from a visual/effects mindset instead of a fan video mindset. The footage isn't any easier to edit with because editing will be dictated by your concept. It's only as hard as you make it.

The strongest point of IC/IE was that it was a way to present AMVs to an audience in a unique venue besides a straight up AMV contest. There is a vast difference between doing one of these online competitions and one that is actually at a convention before a large audience of strangers. I would like to point out that if you're a pro you just show up and edit. Fuck watching any shows you hadn't seen already; it's more fun to pull shit out of your ass under pressure.
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