BasharOfTheAges wrote: The average viewer prefers what they perceive as "style" over what's traditionally known as "substance."



BasharOfTheAges wrote:Search this general AMV forum for any threadmore than say 5 pages long.about the #AMV-review; Over half of them will be bitching about this very topic in one way or another.
It basically boils down to popular opinion... which is lowest common denominator territory. The average viewer prefers what they perceive as "style" over what's traditionally known as "substance."
Oleander wrote:Are the Top 10% videos the current trend in amv creation? I have been a site member for about 7 years and have watched amv's for at least 10 and I have to say the current Top videos are some of the best in regard to technical skill but the worst artistically. I'm not necessarily saying that they are bad videos but I remember when watching an amv would pull at your emotions but now it seems like everyone is just trying to show off with how good they can use their favorite editing program. It has been awhile since I have checked out some new videos and I would like to hear some opinions on this, especially from the old timers.
dwchang wrote:Oleander wrote:Are the Top 10% videos the current trend in amv creation? I have been a site member for about 7 years and have watched amv's for at least 10 and I have to say the current Top videos are some of the best in regard to technical skill but the worst artistically. I'm not necessarily saying that they are bad videos but I remember when watching an amv would pull at your emotions but now it seems like everyone is just trying to show off with how good they can use their favorite editing program. It has been awhile since I have checked out some new videos and I would like to hear some opinions on this, especially from the old timers.
One thing to note is that by default the "Top 10%" is only the top 10% for the current year. You have to manually hit the "All years" link at the top to get the true top 10%. That might be a reason for your confusion. I know I was at first.
Anyway given how rare ops are nowadays, the lists are pretty irrelevant now. It doesn't take that many ops to even break the list lately. Star rating is probably a better gauge of current AMVs. That said, the "true" Top 10% I agree with moreso than the current, but that might have to do with watching very few AMVs lately and also agreeing with your point regarding the trends.
Phantasmagoriat wrote:Part of it has to do with the belief that hard work should be rewarded.
Yes, but once it's out you will hear the sound of trumpet blasts. People will clap and applaud you. You'll get your gold stars, and a nice pat on the back.godix wrote:If you spend two months working out a really difficult turd, one of those turds that feels like you're pushing concrete out your ass, the end result is STILL a huge pile of steaming crap.
Phantasmagoriat wrote:Yes, but once it's out you will hear the sound of trumpet blasts. People will clap and applaud you. You'll get your gold stars, and a nice pat on the back.godix wrote:If you spend two months working out a really difficult turd, one of those turds that feels like you're pushing concrete out your ass, the end result is STILL a huge pile of steaming crap.
That's the way it works




Oleander wrote:Are the Top 10% videos the current trend in amv creation? I have been a site member for about 7 years and have watched amv's for at least 10 and I have to say the current Top videos are some of the best in regard to technical skill but the worst artistically. I'm not necessarily saying that they are bad videos but I remember when watching an amv would pull at your emotions but now it seems like everyone is just trying to show off with how good they can use their favorite editing program. It has been awhile since I have checked out some new videos and I would like to hear some opinions on this, especially from the old timers.

Oleander wrote:I remember when watching an amv would pull at your emotions but now it seems like everyone is just trying to show off with how good they can use their favorite editing program. It has been awhile since I have checked out some new videos and I would like to hear some opinions on this, especially from the old timers.
Megamom wrote:The feedback system is outdated for several years, some of the AMVs that are in the current list (Top 10%) would not have to be there (including my Toxic AMV), currently there are better AMVs now, but the system does not why do justice.
I personally think that had previously best AMVs... cos previously more difficult to do, now we have at our disposal many new editing tools that make the job easier, anyone can make a good AMV (technically) but make an AMV to express something? no!![]()
There are many AMVs that do not express anything, good technically, but without a soul! (Publishers of Youtube)
Vivaldi wrote:Oleander wrote:Are the Top 10% videos the current trend in amv creation? I have been a site member for about 7 years and have watched amv's for at least 10 and I have to say the current Top videos are some of the best in regard to technical skill but the worst artistically. I'm not necessarily saying that they are bad videos but I remember when watching an amv would pull at your emotions but now it seems like everyone is just trying to show off with how good they can use their favorite editing program. It has been awhile since I have checked out some new videos and I would like to hear some opinions on this, especially from the old timers.
Frankly I'd suggest this has more to you (and probably some other "old timers" becoming jaded over the years rather than some vast slide in quality.
For instance, saying "but I remember when watching an amv would pull at your emotions" is extremely anecdotal: if I could find a person who felt they were emotionally moved by some amvs in the top 10%, would that not disprove your theory? I believe editing styles have become somewhat faster paced and likely more montage styled, but that doesn't make them worse by any means. You're holding new amvs to a standard that simply never existed: amvs 7 years ago were the same arms race of technical acumen as they are now, 90% of it was tripe and the good stuff was conceptually identical to the quality amvs being produced today.
I don't even think the "Style before substance" idiom is applicable here. Amvs are, like film, a fundamentally visual medium. To castigate those who apply themselves to that side of the process is in my mind a grave mistake, and it misses a large deal of the point. An amv that is visually creative, beauteous, or meaningful is extremely substantive. The so called "substance" people are forever looking for is just a mime of theater and film that should not be considered the paramount concern of an amv, let alone the sole aspect to be judged. A visually stunning amv justifies its existence, but one that offers only an "idea" would be better implemented as a fanfic.
Of course, I'm not talking about those amvs in which the concept directly deals with or affects the visual content, but I believe amvs are flourishing in that regard more than ever.
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