Proposal for Honest Op week

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:43 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:I stopped the video after 95 reconnect attempts.

This is the error i was talking about above. It has been stopping me from getting much of anything in the last 2 or 3 months. Any suggestions?

That's just weird. I'm assuming you use a windows computer. What are you trying to download with? If it's firefox, they have another program they're suggesting for resumes off nago - skim back a few pages on the site help section - AD posted a link for some download program that was supposed to work with nago better than firefox does. Or try opera. Or...even just internet explorer. I've yet to receive a problem downloading with it despite the bad rap and lack of 'resume' function.

Either way, you should post that weird error in the site help section if you haven't.

About the 'money-mouth post'...I've been on dial-up since I joined, so I tend to think everyone else can get vids a lot easier than I can. I forget to consider firewalls on campus and those without internet access at home.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:37 pm

Well.. i'm tring to deal with the whole downloading issue here and hope to hell it works.

Back on topic, however, given there isn't a random video (and in the idea of fairness in all oping) i came up with a few suggestions regarding how to choose a random video (though that sounds oxymoronic at best) for this whole "Honest Op Week" idea.

Most of these ideas are common sence; and, yes, some make the selection less random, but fairness should be your top priority. If you know you won't fairly op, please don't op it.

1) If you have certain musical genre preferences, don't let them get in your way of giving an opinion. you can look at the audio source used on a video chosen at random (or even search by artist) to find enough videos for your opping to still be random enough.

2) If you have an aversion to a series either suck it up and deal with it, or don't op a video if you can't do it right. Choose another one without that series.

3) If you're searching by a certain criteria and get, say, 1000 results and you sort them alphabetically, don't just grab the first few videos you see. Jump around to different pages, and grab different things.

4) Grab as many videos as you feel you have the time/energy/pacience to watch and give detailed opinions to. Strive for as many as you feel you can properly do.

5) I know the major problem with the averages stem from vids that people got friends to op or made fake accounts to op, but please refrain from intentionally targeting those videos if you can help it.

6) Be respectful. If a video sucks, give a detailed description of why it sucks... and don't use words like "sucks" in your op! Be kind

If anyone else could add to or comment this list of rules, please feel free to do so.

Also, i was toying with the idea of putting a tag line in each opped video for this project. Would that be a good idea, or not?

basterd!! · Post by **basterd!!** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:43 pm

Really there is only one real solution to the "problem" of inflated scored on this site, however it is very draconian.

First allow anyone to leave opinions but without scores. That way they can express what they liked or disliked about the video to the creator.

Second form a conclave of members "authorized" to give scores and who adhere to strict review guidelines. each new video would be randomly assigned to 3 conclave members for scoring purposes, with one members writting a consensus opinion to the creator.

Honestly the only purpose for number scoring is, IMHO, in order to gain attention for your video. Which as we all know from previous members who create 30 fake accounts in order to be on the top 10%, is very important to some.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:37 pm

I think having an Honest Op week is a slight disservice to the idea of ops as a whole, as it suggests that they're dishonest to begin with.

Now, forgive me from going a bit OT, but I HONESTLY wish I would get to my long-outstanding ops. Unfortunately, honest though ever I tend to be (if quite positive), I just haven't been up to ops lately. It's like I lost my ability to critically view AMV's

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:51 pm

Otohiko wrote:Unfortunately, honest though ever I tend to be (if quite positive), I just haven't been up to ops lately. It's like I lost my ability to critically view AMV's

Word. Same here, man.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:47 pm

Otohiko wrote:I think having an Honest Op week is a slight disservice to the idea of ops as a whole, as it suggests that they're dishonest to begin with.

Taken as a whole, they might not be 100% dishonest, but they certainly are not 100% honest either. The results produced by the op system are very decieving. Having not known many people who are decieving to be quite honest (given the inherent contridiction of terms) the phrase "Honest Op Week" sprang into my head.

In reality it's not really the op system that isn't honest, it's the results of that system (average scores). A system that is supposed to represent the average quality of the videos on the org in relation to one another dosn't work, honestly, if a lot of the videos that would fall on the left of the bell curve (hell.. anything more left than the right half) have no legitimate opinions given to them. It's like a kindergarden class, you get a gold star for effort; "we're all special"; that kind of mentality that perpetuates if only good vids are opped. When people op average videos as they would the best thing they have ever seen, we distroy the system and render opinions worthless for their secondary purpose (as a filter for people who wish to choose to watch "good" videos).

Isn't it also the people that would most benifit form opinions (those who's vids are well.. bad) the less likely to get any becasue of this fear that one shouldn't say anything negative. I'm not advocating flaming, and i understand that oping a video that isn't that good is hard to do, but if the opinion system's purpose is to help, why not help those who need it more?

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:51 pm

ack.. edit... gha!!!

Isn't it also the people that would most benifit form opinions (those who's vids are well.. bad) are less likely to get any, becasue of this fear that one shouldn't say anything negative. I'm not advocating flaming, and i understand that oping a video that isn't that good is hard to do, but if the opinion system's purpose is to help, why not help those who need it more?

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Thu May 19, 2005 3:22 pm

Well.. my downloading problem has been fixed and i'm attempting to grab as many videos as i can as soon as possible. I have Dial up at home and Finals end for me tomorow. That said.. I think the time frame needs to be expanded if nobody has a problem with that (although i doubt anyone even remembers this thread).

I have 40 vids in my queue right now and i'm hoping for about 50 to review through the next few weeks or so. If anyone is still on board, let me know how much you have. Several hundred hones reviews ought to help somewhat... at least i hope

downwithpants · Post by **downwithpants** » Thu May 19, 2005 5:00 pm

just finished finals today w00t and going home tomorrow. i also need to finish up a vid for the otakon contest, then i'll start looking for vids to op... when i'm not playing warcraft...

devilmaykickass · Post by **devilmaykickass** » Fri May 20, 2005 3:41 am

I always give an honest opinion, mainly because when I download a video it takes me a good amount of time (I'm on dialup), so I'm more than willing to tell you if you just threw something together or not. I'm never rude about it though.

But yeah, I think for a dialup user, I'm pretty damn opinionated (I'm number 22 on the most opinions list at the moment). I'd gladly do this if I had a connection where I could download videos in 5 minutes instead of 3 hours.