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Re: I would like to make a case for Avatar to be included

Postby TheDevian » Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:50 pm

If the rule is only Japanese and was being enforced that way, then that is fine, it just 'seeeemed' like that was not the case, so I thought I would try. (tho still, it is far closer to Japanese than is A&S or Code Lyoko, and I maintain that position), but it would be nice to have a place for other stuff like it.



As for 'your case' Roku is also a Japanese word (the name of the last avatar), as is almost everything in there from the Fire Nation (even if some were spelled wrong). Lots of words are Japanese. It doesn't make it relevant to the discussion.
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Re: I would like to make a case for Avatar to be included

Postby TheDevian » Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:55 pm

and actually the word Anime, is NOT a Japanese word, but a borrowed word from English that is a shortened form of Animation. If you go to Japan, then every animated anything is called anime. (just for the record)
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Re: I would like to make a case for Avatar to be included

Postby Nya-chan Production » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:16 pm

TheDevian wrote:If the rule is only Japanese and was being enforced that way, then that is fine, it just 'seeeemed' like that was not the case, so I thought I would try. (tho still, it is far closer to Japanese than is A&S or Code Lyoko, and I maintain that position), but it would be nice to have a place for other stuff like it.



As for 'your case' Roku is also a Japanese word (the name of the last avatar), as is almost everything in there from the Fire Nation (even if some were spelled wrong). Lots of words are Japanese. It doesn't make it relevant to the discussion.

"Japanese" as in "Japanese production or co-production".

If you think it would be nice to have a place for animate (not anime) music videos - go and make it?
I also think it would be nice to have a place for people who like to roleplay silver-haired girls with flat chests, but don't insist it should be here. And if I ever feel the need for such place would be cool, I'll go and help make it ;x

And I think most of the people here are familiar with the etymology of the word "anime". Thanks for those who didn't know anyway~
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Re: I would like to make a case for Avatar to be included

Postby JaddziaDax » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:22 pm

TheDevian wrote:and actually the word Anime, is NOT a Japanese word, but a borrowed word from English that is a shortened form of Animation. If you go to Japan, then every animated anything is called anime. (just for the record)


Yes they use the word 'anime' to describe anything animated, however if we were to use it that way we'd have to allow Spongebob Squarepants because the Japanese call it anime.
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Re: I would like to make a case for Avatar to be included

Postby Radical_Yue » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:43 pm

TheDevian wrote:and actually the word Anime, is NOT a Japanese word, but a borrowed word from English that is a shortened form of Animation. If you go to Japan, then every animated anything is called anime. (just for the record)



I bet the other kids in your Anime Club think you're sugoi.









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Re: I would like to make a case for Avatar to be included

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:53 pm

The more important bit is that TEKnician is a moron and nothing he wrote in this thread is relevant.

More to the topic at hand, thank you for pointing out the videos that shouldn't have been there, the site has some safegaurds in place, but we need the occasional sweep of the system by self-styled rules lawyers looking for validation.
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Re: I would like to make a case for Avatar to be included

Postby gotegenks » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:31 pm

^^agreed code

and an edit button for this guy, in fact...how about for everyone! :O

if avatar's animation was done in japan would it be allowed here? isn't that the case with afro samurai?
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Re: I would like to make a case for Avatar to be included

Postby mirkosp » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:52 pm

gote wrote:if avatar's animation was done in japan would it be allowed here?

Not too sure... but probably yes, depends on how the thing is organized.
isn't that the case with afro samurai?

No, afro samurai is based on a manga to begin with.
You could rather pull out Animatrix and some Studio 4°C stuff as examples, though...
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Re: I would like to make a case for Avatar to be included

Postby gotegenks » Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:41 pm

oh, well then isn't that the case with animatrix and some studio 4c stuff then? :P
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Re: I would like to make a case for Avatar to be included

Postby mirkosp » Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:48 pm

Hahah, I gotcha for real!
Nope, it's not even the case with those, actually, though they are closer examples that often get pulled off in these occasions. Animatrix as well as various other 4°C "grey" zone things were coproduced, whereas Avatar was only outsourced at most.
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Re: I would like to make a case for Avatar to be included

Postby TEKnician » Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:29 am

BasharOfTheAges wrote:The more important bit is that TEKnician is a moron and nothing he wrote in this thread is relevant.

:(


Okay, okay, I'm sorry. How 'bout I post something relevant then?

*puts on serious face*


Point Number 1:
TheDevian wrote:What constitutes an "Anime" as far as this site is concerned?
In the org FAQ:
What kind of videos can I put on the database?


The simple answer is ‘anime music videos that you have made’. If the source footage is entirely made up of non-anime sources, then it doesn't belong here. ‘Anime’ here is essentially defined as Japanese animation, including things like cutscenes from Final Fantasy games and so on. Non-Japanese animation and non-animated source are not allowed although we are lenient with anime-inspired original animated or drawn creations that the members have made.

Any videos that break any of the site rules (including but not limited to abuse of other members) are not allowed. Videos that contain pornographic footage of any kind cannot have a direct download link on the database. All such videos should be indirect and have an advisory warning before downloading the video. Further information about requirements can be read on the "Enter a New Video" page.

If you are not sure whether your video meets these criteria, do not enter the video. Instead ask in the forums (in Site Help), giving a rough account of what your video contains. The administration withhold the right to remove any videos deemed inappropriate for this site.


Point Number 2:
TheDevian wrote:many of the names in the credits are also Japanese.

Really? REALLY?...

Point Number 3:
TheDevian wrote:I have been contemplating making a video for this show, but if Youtube is my only real option to display it, I am not sure I want to go through the trouble of making one.

Hell, have you EVEN SEEN THIS in the General Discussion thread? Just do it anyways and post it there! I'D EVEN WATCH IT TOO! I LOVE AVATAR!

Dun get me wrong, its not like I was going on a rant or anything. I just made that brief comment at the beginning because I didn't feel the need to have a discussion topic for it.
TheDevian wrote:Avatar actually captures the style and feel of a real anime. Other than having been in English first, it is more 'Anime' than any other attempt made in the west
TRUE ENOUGH. This WAS their best attempt to date. But I really hate Nickelodeon, period.

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Re: I would like to make a case for Avatar to be included

Postby TheDevian » Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:02 am

You could say it was outsourced (like so many others for most of my life anyway) but unlike many of them, the creators actually went there to work with the studio, instead of just sending examples. ;) It really can't be compared to the normal American fare, even the ones called 'anime inspired'.

The problem is the line gets thinner every day. Things like Avatar, Puffy Ami Yumi, Dragon Age movie [being made in Japan but based on an American game, produced by an American company in a Japanese studio, in the style of the original art, but in Japanese, in conjunction with an American dubbing company...], South Park's 'Good Times with Weapons' episode, (could even include things like G-Force in the 'fine line' category), so many fine lines and people just walking all over it (or maybe we should say the line got so wide that all these people can now drive on it).

All I meant was there were more Japanese names on the cast than A&S or CL (especially CL, at least A&S is Asian), but since that has been fixed, it is now irrelevant. But I admit that 'many' was an exaggeration, but it is still more than either of the others. And like I also said it just bothered me that those two seemed to be ok when Avatar was not (and that was the real issue in question, the rest just being window dressing). The line might still be fuzzy on some, but this is now clear. I understood what the rules had said (even if dyslexia makes it hard to read for me, I poured over that part a few times), but it had seemed like exceptions had been made, so I wanted to make the case for Avatar, if that had been true, but since they were here in error that whole point is moot. & no, I hadn't seen the other post, I don't do forums much, I don't usually do well on them, rather antisocial and all (and I take things too personally sometimes, and things can get heated too easily), lol. I joined in 2001 (I was surprised too), and this thread at least doubled my total posts, it should show how strongly I felt about it though.
I used to love Nick, back in the days of 'Danger Mouse', 'Inspector Gadget', 'You can't do that on TV' and such (yeah I know, my age is showing, we had it even before Mtv, back when Mtv was new, ...and showed videos, was probably the first cable channel I ever watched, wow that was a long time ago), I stopped watching it in general a long time ago, but other than paying for the show to be made, and being willing to give the guys a chance, they had little to do with it, so even if I didn't like them I wouldn't hold it against the show (who pays for it shouldn't really be a huge factor, the inspiration for it on the other hand was almost entirely anime, and how true they held to it is what matters to me, in comparison the others just borrowed elements from it, Avatar became it, very zen hehe). ;}
I may make something one day (working on a couple more Ranma ones atm, one is almost finished), if I think of a concept, but it would also require a host, maybe one day I will get my server up and running, with a bit more research into Ubuntu, in the meantime, this is what I have. But now that the issue has been clarified, that case is closed for now, and any other discussion on that part is moot. Unless we want to discuss the line, and what crosses what where and when, which can always be entertaining...

Thanks again for your time and patience, and apologies to anyone I offended (I'm sure there had to be somebody ;3), that was never my intention (and I take no offense, was just trying to keep the main part of the discussion to my main point, comparing it to others that had "made it" or so I thought, & generally I agree, our working def of 'anime' is Japanese origin only, but its getting harder to tell all the time), and for the double posts, wish I could have edited instead, gomen. :uhoh: :oops:

sorry ahead of time, but I thought this was funny, I mean this as a joke and for humorous intent only, ty.
...we'd have to allow Spongebob Squarepants because the Japanese call it anime.
and what would THEY know about it? (again, sorry, I had to say it.... I tried to resist :rofl:)

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Re: I would like to make a case for Avatar to be included

Postby mirkosp » Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:34 am

TheDevian wrote:The problem is the line gets thinner every day. Things like Avatar, Puffy Ami Yumi, Dragon Age movie [being made in Japan but based on an American game, produced by an American company in a Japanese studio, in the style of the original art, but in Japanese, in conjunction with an American dubbing company...], South Park's 'Good Times with Weapons' episode, (could even include things like G-Force in the 'fine line' category), so many fine lines and people just walking all over it (or maybe we should say the line got so wide that all these people can now drive on it).


Yes, the line is thin. And it gets considered on a case by case basis depending on who did what and how. Avatar just doesn't cross the line enough to be considered anime, that's about it. I'll prolly be counting the Dragon Age movie as anime, however, as the actual direction of the movie is being done by the japs.
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Re: I would like to make a case for Avatar to be included

Postby JaddziaDax » Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:13 am

TheDevian wrote:sorry ahead of time, but I thought this was funny, I mean this as a joke and for humorous intent only, ty.
...we'd have to allow Spongebob Squarepants because the Japanese call it anime.
and what would THEY know about it? (again, sorry, I had to say it.... I tried to resist :rofl:)


The difference being this is an American site, not a Japanese site. Here in America we make a distinction between what we consider "Cartoon" and "Anime".

Personally I'm not against the inclusion of Avatar, and it's about as blurry (style-wise) as the line gets..

Blurry Lines I've seen allowed:
Batman: Gothic Knight
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Yogurting Intro
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Re: I would like to make a case for Avatar to be included

Postby Nya-chan Production » Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:38 am

Batman: Gotham Knight is a regular anime and as such is allowed.
Any single source Yogurting AMV should be deleted, as it's not an anime source.

Those are not blurry at all. It's just faulty premise in the functionality of the site, people.
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