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A great restriction idea for the Donut/carrot

Postby WilLoW :--) » Sun Jul 27, 2003 6:09 am

There have been discussions about the fact that there were more and more bad videos on the carrot. Yet we didn't find any good idea to stop people uploading their videos, because allowing someone to upload and someone else not was elitism...

Now I've got an Idea :


We should add a rule "do not upload videos made from downloaded footage"

1) because it's written somewhere in the rules of the website (even if few people stick to this rule) that amv shouldn't be done witth d/l footage

2)it would stop the access of the carrot to crappy videos with subtitles and stuff...


What do you think ?

(well, I would have to remove some of my vids from the server, but...)

yea, I know. greatest idea ever.
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Sun Jul 27, 2003 8:10 am

Well that would remove a *significant* proportion of the videos on the carrot.


...not to mention some very good ones.

For example, Right Now Somone is Reading This Title - uses downloaded Daicon 4 footage - because that's the only real place to find that footage.

So, are you going to remove one of the most famous amvs (and one of the most highly ranked at that) because it used downloaded footage? Similarly Euphoria - I'm fairly certain it used downloaded Rahxephon.

I think the focus has to be:

Encourage people to edit videos with regards to certain ethics (Not using pirate software, downloaded footage/music that you have not purchased etc) but leave it there. We can't go forcing people to not do this and in certain cases we don't want to, to be frank.

I just don't think it's the place of the org to be completely dictatorial about quality - encourage, yes... prescribe, no.
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Postby WilLoW :--) » Sun Jul 27, 2003 8:19 am

I was sure that everyone would agree with this great idea of mine :wink:
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Postby SephirothJenova » Sun Jul 27, 2003 10:36 am

I like the idea, but as people get more opinions (they people who use downloaded footage will most likely get lower opinions) they're videos will get better (in general and in quality). They'll start to make higher quality videos, which will result in them wanting to take down their old videos. I don't want to upload some of my old videos because they would get crappy opinions and I used downloaded footage. I'm not going to lie and say it straight out, so those videos will not be up for download. Of course to complete the Org's database, I will offer those videos to anyone who asks me personally.

Mainly, what I suggest is a take down feature for the Donut. People will be able to delete what videos they want, but must have it confirmed. Something of that sort, but people shouldn't be forced to do anything.

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BTW, I made those videos with downloaded footage before I found out about the Org. And I have been improving quality and generally with each video I create.
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Postby dokidoki » Mon Jul 28, 2003 1:41 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:For example, Right Now Somone is Reading This Title - uses downloaded Daicon 4 footage - because that's the only real place to find that footage.

Actually, the first version used the AVI that was floating around on the web, but the current version uses MPEG-2 from LD footage graciously provided by iserlohn. Technically it was downloaded from him, but at a higher quality than much downloaded stuff. (of course, the clip is iffy 'cuz it's 20 years old, but that's another issue)
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Postby EarthCurrent » Mon Jul 28, 2003 2:20 am

WilLoW :--) wrote:I was sure that everyone would agree with this great idea of mine :wink:

THIS IS THE BEST IDEA EVAR!!!!

But I'm sure most people would expect me to support something like this...
and I do.
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Postby TokyoU15 » Mon Jul 28, 2003 2:58 am

AD brings up a very good valid point....but how can you REALLY determine what uses downloaded footage? What if they captured some horrible fansub with subs? Not all videos using digisubs have subtitles in the video...Basicly, you're saying to delete all the videos that look like mud, because they must have used downlaoded footage? Don't think this idea will work at all...
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Postby SephirothJenova » Mon Jul 28, 2003 10:20 am

I honestly don't think we should go through with this. The Org is a video database, so it should have every video that has been made to be uploaded, even if it crappy and uses downloaded footage. It is an anime music video and should be recognized on the org and available for download.

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Postby EarthCurrent » Mon Jul 28, 2003 1:03 pm

Considering that the RULES of the org state that edittors SHALL NOT USE DOWNLOADED footage, it seems counterproductive to allow videos with downloaded footage onto the carrot and donut. As it stands, there is little to disuade people to change their habits.

At the very least people uploading should have to click a number of user agreement/promises that indicate that there video does not contain downloaded footage.
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Postby Castor Troy » Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:28 pm

Some people have ways of using AHQ rips and making them look good...
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Postby Summanaro » Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:38 pm

Well I have some d'ld footage that's actually good quality. I think videos on the carrot should be removed because of their ratings on the star scale, I mean, all those vids in the back have either not been voted upon or just really suck.
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Postby EarthCurrent » Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:56 pm

Summanaro wrote:Well I have some d'ld footage that's actually good quality.

It's not the quality, but the ethics of the use of DLed footage that I'm most concerned about.

I view the Carrot and Donut as powerful tools to hammer home the fact that edittors should be using legally acquired footage if they want to upload their videos onto what is an essentially a free hosting service.
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Postby fyrtenheimer » Tue Jul 29, 2003 7:14 pm

Summanaro wrote:Well I have some d'ld footage that's actually good quality. I think videos on the carrot should be removed because of their ratings on the star scale, I mean, all those vids in the back have either not been voted upon or just really suck.


You have to have atleast 5 votes to get on the star scale anyway. So yeah, they all have been voted upon.

Besides, that thing is fucked. Your video jumps up and down in the beginning, it'd be pretty pointless to do that.
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Postby jonmartensen » Tue Jul 29, 2003 9:40 pm

Maybe we could have a list of poor quallity videos (I mean really really poor quallity, with clips of readilly available anime with logos like the AS or CN logo) that are going to be purged. Have 10 videos a week put on the list and allow the org users to vote on their worthyness. If they don't get enough votes....Adios.
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Postby Lyrs » Tue Jul 29, 2003 9:49 pm

jonmartensen wrote:Maybe we could have a list of poor quallity videos (I mean really really poor quallity, with clips of readilly available anime with logos like the AS or CN logo) that are going to be purged. Have 10 videos a week put on the list and allow the org users to vote on their worthyness. If they don't get enough votes....Adios.


the wall of shame? sounds like an idea.
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