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Postby TokyoU15 » Sun Jun 29, 2003 5:17 pm

I have a suggestion for this sites upload priveleges. I was thinking a group of 10 or 15 people can give each video that is uploaded to the carrot a proper rating. Depending on the rating given, the videos will become available to the people of the .org or they will be deleted.

It's much easier to do this to have people wonder, "Can I upload this without getting banned?".

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Postby Arigatomina » Sun Jun 29, 2003 5:23 pm

Well, I could have sworn in the beginning of the Carrot each video that was uploaded was going to be looked over to make sure it didn't have unsuitable content. But there are so many coming in now that it would be very hard, even for 10 people with lots of freetime and great connection speed. Besides that, would they only be looking for content issues? This general rating could easily be manipulated to 'I don't like this, this isn't good enough by my standards, we don't need more of this, etc'.

But I do like the idea of screening for questionable content. :?
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Postby TokyoU15 » Sun Jun 29, 2003 9:35 pm

Besides that, would they only be looking for content issues? This general rating could easily be manipulated to 'I don't like this, this isn't good enough by my standards, we don't need more of this, etc'.


That shouldn't be a problem because all we would be doing is rating the content...not it' soriginaly or how shitty the quality is. All we would do is give it a rating, then simply make it avaible for download, regardless of how shitty it is.
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Postby Phade » Sun Jun 29, 2003 9:38 pm

Hey,

I have pondered the content rating system as well. I tried to look at the MPAA's system (G, PG, R, etc.) but they didn't have the guidelines on how they rate a movie, just that if it's gotten such-a-such rating, it's good for this audience or that.

Suggestions are welcome on how such a system would work. Discuss...

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Postby TokyoU15 » Mon Jun 30, 2003 12:09 am

Personally, I don't agree with MPAA's. They'll give anything an R rating these days.

The only thing I can think of is for a group of people to discuss a videos content and depending on the majority's vote, that is what it will get.

Seems logical, doesn't it? Another option would be to set our own, very clearly stated guidelines. An R video contains such and such and anything else of that nature...etc.
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Postby Phade » Mon Jun 30, 2003 8:26 pm

Hey,

It not that we would use the same guidelines, it's just how they came up with how a movie is rated what.

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Postby TokyoU15 » Mon Jun 30, 2003 8:54 pm

Just think logic...what is appropriate for a 13 year old to look/hear? What's appropriate for a 10 year old? It's just really ones own judgement when doing this stuff.

I for one am very strict when it comes to Ratings. I want everyone to be able to enjoy everything WITHIN their age group.
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Postby Arigatomina » Tue Jul 01, 2003 2:03 am

Just to give one view of ratings, I like to go from the top down when I rate fanfiction (applicable, it's all art).

NC-17: Higher rated than R, more for adults only, for a vid or movie this would include sex (which we've already cut out), explicit nudity such as male lower regions not usually shown even in 'real' movies, hentai, excessive graphic violence - and I mean graphic as in skin peeling off gorey torture scenes and general gratuitous squick, excessive body-hacking and bloodbaths could fall into this as well.

R: Slight nudity, nipple-less breast shots (think Sailor Moon transformations - it's not all hentai in nature), questionable content - as in themes (imagine scenes with a couple in the bedroom moving but you can't actually see anything - you still know what it is, so the content itself is stronger than simple children kissing on the lips) - this could also include themes that involve satanism if you're taking religion into question; graphic violence - shoot outs without too much blood, sword slashes without too much body-part severing, some dbz-style bloodless tortures could be included in here (people beating each other to a pulp can be graphic even if there's little bloodshed); explicit language - like the really dirty songs, or ones with the 'worser' words used frequently, also could include songs that talk about killing people in violent and gratuitous ways; and any other theme you would think only adults should be privy to.

PG-13: This is harder, but would probably include cleavage shots (non nudity but slight hentai if it's gratuitous breast-shots), panty flashes in an abundance, violence that is not too explicit but still there, death - this one I've seen in movies, even if it's just buildings exploding or car crashes where people die; any theme that's going to be over a child's head whether it's actually shown or not - incest, rape, abuse, extreme angst (if these are shown, and can be considered graphic, they'd be knocked up to R or NC-17); language - the weaker songs that drop the occassional 'shit' or 'ass' but don't go full fledged.

Yeah, these are all up for debate. It really depends on how mature you picture the audience being. I don't think anyone under 17 should be allowed to watch Blade (lots of blood), or the Exorcist (thematic issues, general horror). And I don't consider DBZ fit for anyone under 15 (maybe Dragonball, but not the later more violent sagas). So my view of child maturity is probably off. :?
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Postby Farlo » Tue Jul 01, 2003 3:11 am

how about rating it the same as the rating of the anime, and if the song has any explicits


so if the anime is rated pg and the song has 1 to 3 explicits it would constitute a pg-13...

but if the anime is R, and the song is very explicit, then it should constitute a nc-17...

if the song has no explicits, then the rating should be the same of the anime...

as with most vids though, the scenes vary, so if the anime is R, but its minimally violent it should be some song obscure rating such as pg-13+

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Postby Farlo » Tue Jul 01, 2003 3:13 am

el_farlo wrote:but its minimally violent it should be some song obscure rating such as pg-13+


well i have no idea where that came from...i guess i forgot to delete it >_<
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Postby Arigatomina » Tue Jul 01, 2003 3:57 am

You could use the ratings of the animes, but you'd have to rate differently according to the scenes used *from* the animes. For instance, I'm guessing Hellsing has a higher rating than Sailor Moon, but if you do a Hellsing vid that's mostly facial expressions and no violence (it *can* be done, though all I've seen were violent), then you wouldn't want to rate it as high as the other Hellsing vids. And the same for other animes - Rurouni Kenshin can be quite violent, but you can do a funny vid that's PG or even G by picking the right scenes. And then there's the multi-anime vids, you'd have to either take the highest rating (from the anime included that's rated higher than the others), or do it according to what scenes they used from each. :?
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Postby TokyoU15 » Mon Jul 28, 2003 6:54 pm

Phade, check this out. I came out with my own guidelines they have to follow. They're pretty strict, but I think they work quite good.

G
General Audience. All ages admitted.
Video contains nothing most parents will consider offensive for younger children. nudity, sex, or drugs; minimal violence; dialogue may go beyond polite conversation but do not go further then everyday expressions.

PG
Parental Guidance Suggested. Some material may not be suitable for children.
Video may contain material parents might not like to expose to their young children. Notes the absence of sex scenes or drug usage; may contain brief nudity, moderate horror, and violence.
Nudity may only be done in a tasteful manner. No groping, topless scenes only. Violence can not go beyond street fighting style. In other words, no excessive bloodshed or amputations. No vulgar language.

PG-13
Parents Strongly Cautioned. Some material may be inappriopriate for children under 13.
Notes the absence of rough or persistent violence and sexually oriented nudity (generally); may contain drug usage or vulgar language, but not excessively.

R
Restricted. Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian.
Video contains some adult material. Parents are urged to learn more about the video before allowing their children to see it. Rating due to one or more of the following: vulgar language, theme, violence, horror, sex, drug usage, moderate sexually-oriented language.

NC-17
No One 17 and Under Can View This Video.
Video is adult in nature. May contain explicit sex, sexually-oriented language, or excessive violence. The NC-17 designation does not, however, signify that the rated video is obscene or pornographic.


So Phade, what do you think of these guidelines? I honestly think they are fair.

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Postby Farlo » Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:59 am

i still dont see how it would be possible the get the ages of all the active members
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Postby TokyoU15 » Tue Jul 29, 2003 3:26 am

and I still don't see how it will be possible to stop all underage kids from going into R rated movies.

It's impossible, but all we can do is try our best.
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Postby Farlo » Tue Jul 29, 2003 3:46 am

thats why you chould get member birthdates during signup
but not say its about rating restrictions
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