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Re: Youtube link slot?

Post by Nya-chan Production » Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:59 pm

gote wrote:(...) i Say instead of praying for that we should start thinking of an org redesign that could take place with minimal coding(...)
I cannot code that well (only starting up the serious work), but I can tell you - this won't work ;>
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Re: Youtube link slot?

Post by gotegenks » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:13 pm

i don't get what you're saying...or...you didn't get what i was saying?
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Re: Youtube link slot?

Post by BasharOfTheAges » Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:22 pm

For security and stability reasons, nobody would hire a complete newbie to help code a site, even as a voulenteer.
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Re: Youtube link slot?

Post by gotegenks » Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:25 pm

I'm saying we need to think of ideas that don't take that much coding so that the coders that do the coding work here wouldn't have to do a lot of work should they ever decide to take our suggestions.
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Re: Youtube link slot?

Post by BasharOfTheAges » Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:32 pm

No. Doing it correctly is far better in the long run than spur of the moment additions and hacks. Good design and implementation takes time. It also allows for thought-out review of suggestions rather than reactions of vocal minority viewpoints or the tyranny of the majority.
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Re: Youtube link slot?

Post by gotegenks » Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:43 pm

so let's take time on the ideas, not the labor. i agree that more coding would be much better than less coding (obviously) but everytime someone brings up a complex yet completely accepted and supported change to the site, someone says "we could but that would be a lot of work and i don't have the time and we don't have that many coders so nah"

same with the Org redesign. we can fantasize about a new website all we want but until we fix something about our process, nothing's gonna happen. we either need more coders with experience and time (or money) or we need ideas that won't take that much labor. sometimes all your workspace needs is a little rearranging, not a completely new set of furniture and hardware.

these posts, however annoying they may be, are just me trying to better this site, not to just get my ideas through because they're my ideas. in the case of youtube embedding, i had a shitty idea, nya pointed it out, so i revised it, and now it's not so opposed to. that's a shorter example of what i think we should be doing with the time we spend on improving this site.

share an idea > discuss > change > rinse repeat til it's something we can do right now with our current staff and abilities > ACTUALLY DO IT

the last step should not be the hardest or the most time-consuming part of this process, as it's an overwhelming minority that has to do that last step.
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Re: Youtube link slot?

Post by Nya-chan Production » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:06 am

gote wrote:i don't get what you're saying...or...you didn't get what i was saying?
That the current code and the design over it is a mess and it can't be "easily replaced with minimal coding" ;x
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Re: Youtube link slot?

Post by Nya-chan Production » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:20 am

gote wrote:share an idea > discuss > change > rinse repeat til it's something we can do right now with our current staff and abilities > ACTUALLY DO IT

the last step should not be the hardest or the most time-consuming part of this process, as it's an overwhelming minority that has to do that last step.
There's a bit of a problem with your insight here. Let me explain a bit.

Imagine the Org as a house. In its early days it was a simple shed for AMVs. Quite sturdy, as dokidoki is a person too - but reliable. You could look at it

Then, over time, the people and AMVs and... CHANGES came. There was implementation of forums (three times, actually - the original and two major BB ones), which changed how this site works with accounts, there were previews, ratings, journals, contests, etc. All of this was mainly doki's work.

Now we come to today. There is a heap of undocumented code that pretty much only doki knows what to do with added to the basic functionality. There are hundreds of THOUSANDS users and videos - and thus rows in databases. The database model is glued together.

So, actually, the biggest problem today is that instead of your idea anything that's just a bit over the most basic changes (like changing a color or image in layout here and there, some changes on forums or basic functionality) would have to look like this:
share an idea > discuss > change > rinse repeat til it's something doki can do > DOKI ACTUALLY DOES IT

Which isn't really good approach. Doki has a life and (god forbid!) something could happen to him. Or he could just burn out and leave.

There are two options today - spend few months trying to understand the code. Or rewrite it from scratch, possibly better documented and modular, so adding new stuff is simple. And by this point, most coders would tell you that the latter one is better today.
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Re: Youtube link slot?

Post by dokidoki » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:02 am

Nya-chan Production wrote:Quite sturdy, as dokidoki is a person too - but reliable.
wat?
Then, over time, the people and AMVs and... CHANGES came. There was implementation of forums (three times, actually - the original and two major BB ones), which changed how this site works with accounts, there were previews, ratings, journals, contests, etc. All of this was mainly doki's work.
Wait wait, although I've done various changes/improvements, you make it sound like I wrote those systems...
Previews were done by Corran. I looked into it, but I think he did a better job than I could have.
Ratings and journals and contests were originally by Phade.
Stuff that's "mine" is the donator's forum (when it existed), alerts, download queue, and antitroll measures. (FWO FWO FWO)
share an idea > discuss > change > rinse repeat til it's something doki can do > DOKI ACTUALLY DOES IT
Which isn't really good approach. Doki has a life and (god forbid!) something could happen to him. Or he could just burn out and leave.
Yeah I don't have the time I used to (looking for work for one thing), but the Twitter embedding was pretty easy. (though the border is a little messed up on members main)
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Re: Youtube link slot?

Post by irriadin » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:07 am

dokidoki wrote:Yeah I don't have the time I used to (looking for work for one thing), but the Twitter embedding was pretty easy. (though the border is slightly messed up on members main)
Looks fine to me. The script is calling some CSS3 that's putting a slight curve to the edges (on div.twtr-doc) and that probably makes it look funky in some browsers, since CSS3 uniformity across browsers is still at "lol" stages.

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