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Appropriate for all audiences?

Postby amadib » Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:05 pm

Hello, I have an concern regarding the featured video:
Centurione Pandora
Personally I see the artistic merit behind the featured video, but I honestly believe it should not be displayed as a marquee video. I don't want to open a debate, but I would like to share deeply held belief that videos that contain similar content should not be used to advertise this community or its content.

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Re: Appropriate for all audiences?

Postby Animated » Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:15 pm

Why not? No gore, no nude scenes (almost...), only stylised romance and passion. I don't see anything wrong with this video, it's the best kind of advertisement for this site, by being SO good.
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Re: Appropriate for all audiences?

Postby Animated » Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:16 pm

Also, was that your first post after... 12 years? :up:
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Re: Appropriate for all audiences?

Postby amadib » Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:54 pm

Animated wrote:Why not? No gore, no nude scenes (almost...), only stylised romance and passion. I don't see anything wrong with this video, it's the best kind of advertisement for this site, by being SO good.


I have not seen many well done amvs using with this genre - which is telling of the creators talents. However I found that the "stylized romance and passion" with "almost no nude scenes" too sensualized and not appropriate for all audiences.

I am not requesting it to be hidden or filtered.

Animated wrote:Also, was that your first post after... 12 years? :up:


Yes it was. :?: The admins can verify that I am a supporter of the site |:> and hope they'll accommodate my request.

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Re: Appropriate for all audiences?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:07 pm

The entire site isn't appropriate for all audiences, nor does it claim to be, nor should it be.
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Re: Appropriate for all audiences?

Postby amadib » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:46 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:The entire site isn't appropriate for all audiences, nor does it claim to be, nor should it be.


I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts, but your statement is baseless - as you'll see the mission statement from the About Us

This is Kris (aka. Phade) and I would like to welcome you to www.AnimeMusicVideos.org. My goal with this web site is to create a place where people who enjoy and create anime music videos can get together, share ideas, learn from one another, and ultimately have everyone creating and enjoying better videos.


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Re: Appropriate for all audiences?

Postby Centurione » Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:32 pm

Hi there! I might not be the right person to answer this thread, but well, the part of About Us you quoted doesn't state anything about appropriate-or-not content. Yes, we get all the warnings about not putting gore or strong sexual content but this video is no more erotic than any other ecchi video with pants everywhere or kinky songs. It's just sensual in a serious, not comedy/fanservice way. I did care to cover all details if there were some in some scenes but it's not like the motive of femme fatale is something 'inappropriate'. They even teach us about it in schools, right ;)
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Re: Appropriate for all audiences?

Postby amadib » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:33 pm

:bzz: Enter Centurione :bzz2: a pleasant surprise

I want you to know that I enjoyed your video and I am not just paying you lip service, and as I praised your earlier in this thread, the video is really well done and telling of your talents; to cover a complex subject and difficult genre and produce a riveting and award winning video.

With all due respect, the explanation of your video above sets us up to shift the conversation built upon fallacies. I feel I must again reiterate; I do not intend for this conversation to hijacked in defense of art, freedom of expression, or in defence of your hard work. I also did not intend to single out your video, but it was the first one in 12 years I have seen on this site that compelled me to submit this post.

This website has nurtured a community over the many years and has churned out brilliant masterpieces; introduced us to animes and music we didn't know existed and it was built upon that mission statement above. When the mission statement mentions everyone that means a general audience. If we can pull a comparison, movie trailers follow a similar format, where the subject matter may or may not be age appropriate for all ages, the trailer is reviewed and deemed acceptable for the general public. This is my recommendation for marquee videos.

I did notice your care in covering most details but the sensuality is too extreme and borders on erotic, but I sincerely I hope you can also understand and appreciate my reasoning. Schools usually teach us human reproduction but do not teach us sensuality or intimacy. Many of us were introduced to Animes not as Animes but as dubbed cartoons - and with time we learned of the Japanese Animation. For our younger community members who have not had "the talk" or gone through your school system, will not understand or appreciate the art. For instance when an older community member brought in Ninja Scroll and showed it to a group of about 30 of us I was just 10 years old - I did not understand what I saw - and I cannot expect our younger community members to understand the sensuality you are artistically portraying.

Someone somewhere will take offense; to sexuality, violence, language, etc - this will be extremely difficult to enforce and a nightmare for the admins. That is why I am only requesting a careful selection of videos be permitted as marquee video previews on the main page. Now this is not an easy recommendation for me to make, especially since your video was selected most recently as Most Artistic Video ( congrats |:> btw)

I have repeatedly defended your work prior to your post, and this recommendation is not meant to discredit your work or some how slow traffic, although the latter is an possible ramification. If anything, this conversation may have helped drive traffic as well, so... you're welcome :wink:

I am vested in this community, as a longtime member and donor, and as such, I feel I have an obligation to share my strong convictions. Likewise, you as an active community member, contributor and peer, have every right to disagree with what I have suggested, however, I ask that you or anyone who would like to share their thoughts to engage in a constructive dialog. I am not advocating for censorship, flagging videos or making them age restrictive.

Honestly, I do not want to see a rating system and happy with the current system. I don't want to repeat my previous comments above and hope that if anyone would like to comment to read them in full. I hope the admins will read and act accordingly in the best interests of preserving this great community.

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Re: Appropriate for all audiences?

Postby Ileia » Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:06 pm

The administration doesn't often answer this section of the forums (at least not in recent years), you're better off sending a private message to one of them ( memberlist.php?mode=group&g=717536 Phade and dero are not really active or likely to respond, I suggest Glory Questor or Radical_Yue). It might get you a more direct answer since, as you said, you're not really looking to debate it.
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Re: Appropriate for all audiences?

Postby MycathatesyouAMV » Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:06 pm

You've been watching videos here for twelve years and hadn't come across a video with worst content than Pandora ?
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Re: Appropriate for all audiences?

Postby Radical_Yue » Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:09 pm

Sorry for the late reply to this.
I appreciate you voicing your concern. If there are members that believe there is something wrong with the website or inappropriate then we want it brought to our attention.

Now, the general rule of thumb that the majority of anime conventions and this site actually goes by is keep it PG-13. Both sexual content and violence is allowed to an extent.
Even before I became a mod and then an admin, I was curious about the use of nudity (breasts, nipples, etc.) in a video. I was informed by a moderator to follow the PG-13 rule and that brief nudity is ok as long as it's artistic and not full on porn. There have actually been a couple videos that I myself have taken down that crossed the PG-13 line into full on R.
This video, while artistically erotic to an extent, is well within the PG-13 limit. Silhouettes kissing, lying on top of each other (not really even moving or thrusting), and a moment of brief nudity here and there are quite fine. Need I remind you that Ghost Busters has nudity, sexual situations and a full on heavily insinuated oral sex scene between Ray and a Ghost yet that merely has a PG rating.

In order to sign up for this website you have to have an email, correct? In order to sign up for an email account you sign a terms and condition agreement that states you are over the age of 13. Which means that if you're signing up for animemusicvideos.org, at some point in time you've stated that you are at least 13 years of age. I don't expect to have anyone younger than that on this website. We never claim to be Disney Land.
I can understand being fearful of a 10 year old seeing this kind of imagery but if they're frequenting the Org and signing up for email accounts without parental supervision then that kind of problem really falls on the parents, not on the site that they shouldn't be on it in the first place. The video in question doesn't even have an age restriction on Youtube, which is a website you do not need an account to log into to view videos as you do with the Org.

The video shows up on the Spotlight because it has been rated highly by those that frequent the Org and watch the videos on it. Those who are over the age of 13. Singe again, this site is not intended for those under the age of 13. The administration does not decide what shows up on the spotlight, the age 13+ viewers do.

As it stands, Pandora and videos like it are more than welcome on AnimeMusicVideos.org.
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Re: Appropriate for all audiences?

Postby amadib » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:51 am

@Ileia thank you for the detailed information. :up:

@Radical_Yue
Thank you for taking the time to write a response.

In light of the dialog introduced, I'd like to briefly address the points brought up and then reintroduce my request - I feel there may have been a slight confusion as per my request and my point may have been missed,

The MPAA ratings have changed considerably over the years; when Ghostbusters was released there was no PG-13. Many well known films received a rating of PG also contained nudity, like the Pink Panther Films and Airplane. You can read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Pic ... -13_rating

I never meant to correlate movies or the rating system - but my intention was to highlight the concept of a "General Audience" - the one we commonly see in movie trailers. These often include degrees of innuendo and violence but as a whole deem acceptable for the public.
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Forgive me, I honestly cannot recall the terms and conditions; having signed up 12 years ago and approximate two year after the site was launched. It is encouraging to hear such controls exist, but I also believe any websites that including a forum require the users consent that they are at least 13 years of age. Furthermore, I was speaking about the actual site, which can be browsed and viewed without creating an account or consenting that the user is over 13.

Again, I do not believe that the Pandora vid does not belong on AnimeMusicVideos.org, I have extensively praised Centurione work above and never insinuated that the video should be in the least bit censored. What I was suggesting was that videos in the Spotlight be at least appropriate for all audiences. Today there are videos that appear in the Spotlight that do not have an option to preview, where the following message would appear: The requested video is not encoded for streaming. Perhaps something like this can appear for videos that have questionable content for that "general audience" of PG-13. The spotlight does not give details on the random video and may catch many visitors off guard.

The ability to stream the AMVs has made browsing so much more enjoyable - back in my day there was a limit, many videos had expired hosts (404), download speeds were slower than an internet cafe in a third world country and having the download time out after hours was the worst. The community appreciates you and the fell admins vigilance with regards to keeping the site up and running and maintaining a threshold for acceptable content.

I hope my clarification has helped better explain the suggestion, feel free to take your time to consider the suggestion or respond if you have any further questions.

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