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Postby Nya-chan Production » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:20 am

Autraya wrote:although I'm not enarmoured of the idea of punishing non-donators with extra restrictions.... you could always limit the number of videos allowable for dload per month to 20 (or something) for non-donators.


That would only save BW which Org has no problems with, and my guess is many people would be angry about it. Meaning maybe more donations, but also many people leaving.

[quote=Arigatomina"]As a long term fix, encouraging people to host their own vids should help a lot. The only reason to upload to local now is so you can get stars and QCs. [/quote]

Frankly, I upload my AMVs on Org mainly because of these facts. I could host them on my pages and something, but I want to have feedback, how people see my videos, what is a step in right direction and what isn't.


As for donating, I also consider donating... well, more like plan to donate... when I get a job (unemployed now) and PayPal account.
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Postby JudgeHolden » Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:40 am

Save a few of them for Anime Detour and auction them off there again. :wink:
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Postby Malificus » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:31 am

JudgeHolden wrote:Save a few of them for Anime Detour and auction them off there again. :wink:
I approve of this plan
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Postby anneke » Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:36 am

My friend has recently had problems with uploading AMV videos to YooTube, due to new restrictions in place. (Someone may want to invstigate such). This may help to generate more traffic and for people to use this site more in the upcoming future.

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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:10 am

I forgot to mention this last time... but other sites I belong to have done donation raffles. set a period of time asside and either set a minimum donation amount or an entry-per dollar amount and raffle off those HDDs, or any other goods you want to offer (or even a choice for winners). Ipods and game systems might be a bit expensive alone, but if they bring in several hundred $ more than cost you've ended up with something for your efforts. If you do this type of thing every couple months and possibly offer things that have non monitary value (server cases or external drives signed by a bunch of editors at con xyz for instance) that people might actually want you might be shocked at how much money you can make. Of course it requires a little work, but the benifits are pretty much there.
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Postby bluetrain » Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:01 pm

Streaming; yae or nae ?
Okay here's my 2 cents on streaming.
If you were going to put steaming videos in say your video entry (wtih a local dl underneath) - wouldn't that mean the site would be hosting 2 videos and not just one. As in say a 60mb mp4 and a 17mb flv? (example only)

And if that happened with hundreds of AMVs across the board for donators, wouldn't that then lead to a lot more space being used. I know the theory is that people would watch the stream and then not download the video, but i know i just like to have my own little collection anyway - i rarely delete bad videos because one day i might watch them again and get a laugh out of them or something else whatever that may be.

Also with all the different formats that are/have been uploaded to the org; mpgs, divx, xvid, movs, h264, wmv etc etc would this pose issues with what would be able to be streamed - or would streaming videos have to be uploaded seperately by the editor?
What i mean to say, ancient videos like lets say kevin caldwell's 'believe' would have to be re-uploaded in order to be streamed, yes? Or the alternative would be for somebody with access to the server to convert the video into the most effective streaming video, or develop something which allows the original to be streamed in a lower quality display...

Maybe i'm missing something (entirely possible, i've not researched this at all) - but the idea seems good but i don't know if it will save space and bandwisth at all. And the legal attention issues which could potentially come with it tip the balance for me. So i'm not really a fan of streaming.
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WMVs; yae or nae ?
And here's my solution to savin space and getting the org clean.
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Any video submitted in WMV format can only remain hosted for say (6-12months *possibly less) - That way space is saved as people won't be bothered to reupload their videos, they'll most likely use the tube instead to host their wmvs after that - however their ENTRY stays, keeping all the videos catalogued as was the goal (as stated by godix). I know, I know i discriminating a format but good editors don't distribute in WMV (not that i know of anyway) - and bad editors still can but only for limited time. The way i see it this has 3 pros:
1. Saves space
2. Encourages editors to improve and move into more advanced territory
3. Discourages people who think they can make a great AMV in 2hrs because one linkin park lyric matches a pixellated concoction of fansubbed-footage, lip-flap, the old-film filter and the cartoon/divx logo. (big generalisation i know, but you get my point). There are some things that simply don't need to be hosted for 8 years.

4ish. Alternatively perhaps these are the kinds of videos that are meant to be streamed - maybe any WMV video cannot be locally downloaded, instead it can only be viewed online (or leeched with flv-downloaders). This would also save on a lot space as many of these videos are hardly ever downloaded anyway.


I understand perhaps that is a little harsh - but i agree with godix, if there is just going to be another donation push in a few months time for "b" maybe some sacrifices need to be made for the greater good. The biggest con is the feature could possibly turn people away from the org and thus potentially good editors (who just happen to be using WMM because its all they have access too and can afford - also i've heard it is possible to mod WMM with scripts and add-ons to make it more 'effective'... but i'm still not sold) - and of course a MASSIVE number of videos would be deleted in the first purge after 1 year or 6 months is up... which could do more harm then good to people who don't frequent the site enough to be knowledgeable of such an event...

Anyway i'm just putting it out there - you can burn it or whatever, i'm just trying to come up with another option - no harm in putting another one on the table.
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Postby kinggreg10 » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:39 pm

What if we start having members host servers? the reason why i say that is because it will be more of a help on their end then donating. the only down sides are that if something goes wrong the server could go down for a while...

Also as you can tell i have not donated but because of that i have not really downloaded much from the site nor upload any new videos (have not done any)

I would be willing to host a server in a few years if i can get a good paying job after school... if not then i would be donating hopefully once a month a decent amount but thats not till latter on when im done :(

but i hope we can get out of this easily... but in about 3-4 years i should have a decent income... or at least a steady one...

I would donate but school is sucking the life savings from me :?
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Postby Megamom » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:42 pm

This year sending my donation! ^^
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Postby SilversLightning » Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:02 pm

How about letting people who have like a million videos on their profile take off the ones they don't want anymore. hell you will be down like 60 some video just like that just on mine. I sure as hell don't want 70 something vids on my account anymore. Most of them suck anyways :/ :P

and I like perks? how about the more you donate the more perks you get. or host a really nifty price contest thingy where the person who donates the most gets the cool price and stuff. and give the time limit something weird so that it's competitive. and keep the competition going by constantly posting who's in first.

I donated myself this year and it was more than last year (although that donation was because it was meh birthday but that's not the point)
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Postby anneke » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:00 pm

I would also like to suggest an 'Archive' option for AMVs. If an AMV creator would like a video that is older moved into 'Archive', it will be moved to another server that maybe is slower or only is connected up once every month or something like that.

I personally get sick of people commenting on a video that is OLD, and complaining about the quality, etc... Archived videos can still appear here, just getting them/downloading them would take longer.

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Postby SQ » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:15 pm

Wow Phade lives!

Sorry, had to add to the sentiment. I know I haven't been on this site for a long time but it's good to see Phade's still doing stuff (even if behind the woodwork).

Anyway, I haven't donated in a long time. It's not that I don't want to, but with life the way life is, I haven't been able to.

Regardless, I still would like to have my say in this, however stupid it may end up sounding. =P

For getting rid of the harddrives, I'm personally for a combination of two and three. Maybe split the harddrives up, have half contain their original files and the other half wiped, replaced with "amazing vids". Or you could auction them off as-is but for an extra "processing fee" (added after the winning bid) you could wipe it and add amazing vids.

Regardless of how it's done, I would like it if the bidding were to stay on the .org, and not go off to ebay where any jo shmoe can get it. I mean, I know a lot of people are worried about their videos getting into the "Wrong hands" per se, and having the auction hosted on the .org and only available to .org members would lessen the risk, I think.


As far as streaming videos goes- Yes! I've been after this for years! I'm actually quite surprised you haven't been as chewed out as I have for mentioning such a thing. But I think this should be a donator-only option. Only donators can play streamed videos, however - this is important - every creator can "allow streaming".

For encouraging more people to donate, I like the way things are now, however I agree that the donate page is still way too confusing.
You need to make the donate page shorter, and use simpler terms. You need a page that basically says "Want to donate? Here are some links on how to do so! [paypal] [alternative to paypal] [link to a mailing address]
Need more detailed information? [click here]!"

Right now the donation page has been more confusing and intimidating then anything. I know that before I donated for the first time, I spent days trying to figure it out. Of course I was like 16 or so, but still.

For extra features for donators only, here's a few. They're features I've been dying to have either way, but making them donator-only wouldn't be that bad.

- custom user title of your choosing, automatically. (like just having the option opened in forum's cp for the user. So you can even change it if you want)

- Journal comments
- HTML (if even limited) in Journals (i, u, b, href tags mainly)
- user profile customization. (Something really stupid and simple. Custom CSS template we can upload or something?)

- ability to delete(or archive, as Anneke suggested) local video links
- ability to edit posts in any forum, not just MEP/con/ whatever else you added that function too (thanks for enabling that in the first place, by the way)
- ability to show more than 2 opinions publically.


Hope this helps somehow.

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Postby Scintilla » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:52 pm

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Arigatomina wrote:As a long term fix, encouraging people to host their own vids should help a lot. The only reason to upload to local now is so you can get stars and QCs.

Frankly, I upload my AMVs on Org mainly because of these facts. I could host them on my pages and something, but I want to have feedback, how people see my videos, what is a step in right direction and what isn't.

That's really what <b>reviews</b> are <i>supposed</i> to be for. How often do you actually get Quick Comments that contain any <i>helpful</i> feedback?

And because I have to complain about this at least once a year: the current system makes it HARDER for people to leave reviews if you've uploaded a video locally (because then you have to download the local copy in order to get the option to review it, regardless of whether or not you already have a copy from some other channel).
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Postby JaddziaDax » Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:06 pm

Note: I'm not picking on you specifically SQ, you just happened to be the last person who posted (that I read), and you repeated a lot of the really great ideas in this thread...

SQ wrote:As far as streaming videos goes- Yes! I've been after this for years! I'm actually quite surprised you haven't been as chewed out as I have for mentioning such a thing. But I think this should be a donator-only option. Only donators can play streamed videos, however - this is important - every creator can "allow streaming".


I still don't believe that streaming should be viewable by donators only - as I said in my earlier post this will just make people whine that such and such site is better and that we are stupid for making people pay to view streamed videos when they can watch streaming videos free on other sites. However I think that donators should have control over weather or not they want their video to be streamed...

I also agree that streaming shouldn't just pop up like the tube, that you have to actively go and click a link to see the streamed version.

Also when it comes to streaming, are we going to stream the actual uploaded file or a .flv version? and bluetrain makes a point: is the site itself going to convert the files for us like streaming sites do? or is the editor going to have to upload their own .flv file... if the second is true, I think an amendment to the current video guides/amvapp would be a good idea to tell people how to create their own .flv file.

Right now the donation page has been more confusing and intimidating then anything. I know that before I donated for the first time, I spent days trying to figure it out. Of course I was like 16 or so, but still.


I never had any confusion about donating, but then again I already knew how to use paypal by the time I got around to donating... O.o However I agree that the donation information page is a mess, and should be simplified and cleaned up... perhaps a guide resembling Moonslayer's org guides could be made for the online donation processes...

Also an online payment option other than Paypal would be nice for those who don't like paypal. I also believe that we should make it easier for out of country people to donate to the org, I know I've seen a lot of confusion (on the forums) when it comes to conflicting terminology, perhaps a link to a short index of terminology would be a good thing for that.

Also to make it a point that the org is not a "cash cow'' as I've seen several people suggest on the forums, perhaps posting the monthly cost/bill to keep the site running in a easy to understand form would be a good idea...

Also I remember a while back you guys removed the uploads graph from non-donator's members main page, perhaps posting the donation graph on their page instead might go to remind people to donate?

- custom user title of your choosing, automatically. (like just having the option opened in forum's cp for the user. So you can even change it if you want)

- Journal comments
- HTML (if even limited) in Journals (i, u, b, href tags mainly)
- user profile customization. (Something really stupid and simple. Custom CSS template we can upload or something?)

- ability to delete(or archive, as Anneke suggested) local video links
- ability to edit posts in any forum, not just MEP/con/ whatever else you added that function too (thanks for enabling that in the first place, by the way)
- ability to show more than 2 opinions publically.


yes yes yes and yes... I love all of these ideas!

As for profile customization, templates would be fine, or just something simple as the ability to upload or link to a background image of your choice, and the ability to choose a color template of the buttons/text would be really lovely.


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I also think that there should be a list of all of the benefits of being a donator and what perks you get from it somewhere on the site (I'm sure we have something like that somewhere - but I have been a donator long enough for me to forget where it is).

Another donation perk I could see working, is an easier upload process than using the FTP...

Also, the more that I think about the "Merchandise" option I suggested the more I realize that the idea of doing a donation drive like PBS where the more you donate the more/better swag you get is a lot better idea than just trying to sell stuff year round.

We also should be very informed what these drives are for (thanks for doing that by the way), and if we are going to need another one just around the corner.
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Postby Orwell » Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:07 pm

Scintilla wrote:
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Arigatomina wrote:As a long term fix, encouraging people to host their own vids should help a lot. The only reason to upload to local now is so you can get stars and QCs.

Frankly, I upload my AMVs on Org mainly because of these facts. I could host them on my pages and something, but I want to have feedback, how people see my videos, what is a step in right direction and what isn't.

That's really what <b>reviews</b> are <i>supposed</i> to be for. How often do you actually get Quick Comments that contain any <i>helpful</i> feedback?


I tend to use them as much for that purpose as anything else. I rarely feel compelled enough to bother to do a full out review, just some quick blurb of useful/less information.
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Postby kmv » Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:24 pm

Thought 1
I like the idea of lower quality streaming + limited downloads for non-donators. Although I note that this might be "interesting" around VCA time, and that your both your disk and CPU needs will go up: Disk because you now have two copies of every video, and CPU because you will need to convert every video upon upload.

Don't ignore the CPU impact.


Thought 2
How about a "credits" system in addition to donations?

$1 == 100 (or whatever) credits. 1 credit == 1 download. This would open things up to a kind of "pay-as-you-go" model. In this model once a download has been "credited" they probably shouldn't expire.
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