Some Videos No Longer Available [Follow-up]

[Inuyasha the 3rd]

Okay, this makes sense now. But however, I am still mad at the person who wrote that letter to the band asking if the video was made by them, that was just plain DUMB.

I just hope this legal BS stops. If more of this crap keeps happening, then im just going to be like "F*ck this, im done!". But maybe im just overeacting.

But yeah, Im glad those companies didnt force phade to shut this whole site down. If it wasnt for this site, I wouldnt have the motivation to even make an AMV. So, even through all of this, I still support phade. I really should donate sometime when I get a job..

[[Mike of the Desert]]

Wow, thanks Phade, this really, really helps a lot. That is more than everything I asked to you privately, thanks. I read everything carefully and this is really helping, indeed I discovered to have misunderstood one or two things about this story before read this. All now is clean and clear, thanks a lot. Great.

I feel indebted to you, as we all should...

Very true, this really hasn't been said enough. I thank you for fighting for us and keeping at lest the rest of the site up and not having the whole thing taken down. I pat you on the back! *patpat*

x3 i feel like i should give u a nice firm handshake or even a hug lol

x4, really. Thanks a lot for all, all the effort you're putting for this organization, this community, I sincerely feel all this, deep inside myself. Truly.

[Coderjo]

As one of the 'boycotters,' I just want to state that my only reason for listening to 'new' music is for amv-making/watching. I'm not about to go telling other people to avoid certain artists. I'm simply not going to go out of my way to listen to their work, because any music I listen to has a chance of being used in an amv. They don't want that and I don't want that, so it's best all around for me to avoid them entirely. If Remedy or one of Creed's songs happens to play on 97.1 (they'd never play Evanescence) I'm not going to change the station. I just won't go looking for the cd so I can use the songs in an amv. The only reason I buy cds is to use songs for amvs. Why wouldn't I stop buying them for these artists? They asked me to stop. I respect that.

Making videos for your own enjoyment still falls under fair use. It is when you send them to others that is the problem.

[KaneDragon]

Okay, this makes sense now. But however, I am still mad at the person who wrote that letter to the band asking if the video was made by them, that was just plain DUMB.

I told you the n00bs would kill us all! Who's laughing now?!



Should the warning be moved from the local download screen to somewhere where people getting Direct Downloads etc... would see it?

[trythil]

*puts copyright on my AMVs*

And if anyone thinks I'm serious... I laugh at you.

Under international copyright law, you actually do own copyright on whatever original manipulations you made, so I don't see why you think that's funny.

It's the other material that's the problem.

Their reply was that there are several large issues for a site like ours to obtain a license due to the nature of our site and the contract with the band. One issue (of many) is that the contract with the band requires the band to approve every use of their songs by third parties. This usually has to deal with movie sound tracks, commercials, and things like that. But in order for our site to receive a license, each and every video would have to be approved by the band themselves. Other issues apply to us by the laws and rules concerning copyright and songs distributed over the internet. (It becomes a big mess really quickly.)

There's no way to decentralize that and put the burden on the video creator?

I have read about possible boycotts and petitions in various follow-up posts to this issue. If all 5 of you boycotters don’t buy the next Evanescence album because of the band’s desire to keep their copyright strong, you have completely missed the point of all this and will also not have your voices heard.

I'd like to say that I get the point, and that I do not appreciate the constant efforts of you and others to deface this particular course of action.

There is no incompatibility with understanding and accepting that legal representatives of these groups affected were and are legally empowered to do what they did, and then refusing to deal with them anymore in even an indirect way. Or, well, I challenge you to find me a contradiction.

[Flint the Dwarf]

I'm simply not going to go out of my way to listen to their work, because any music I listen to has a chance of being used in an amv.

And here I was thinking you made AMVs for yourself. You can still make these AMVs, you just can't distribute them.

I probably wasn't going to buy a CD from any of these bands in the first place, but if they come out with something I like, I'm not going to let a silly action like this prevent me from buying it.

[Another Shauna Video]

so I don't see why you think that's funny.

I'm sorry, I really didn't mean to upset anyone by my comment. It's just that I see an AMV as being part 'borrowed' music, part 'borrowed' anime so really I just don't believe we should be complaining. If who we 'borrowed' our material from doesn't like what we're doing we should take it down. I agree with that, and that's why I don't really believe you can fully own a copyright to an AMV. Again, I want to say sorry if I upset you and I won't comment any further on this because I really don't care for dramma and that's not want my comment was meant to make.

[trythil]

Again, I want to say sorry if I upset you and I won't comment any further on this because I really don't care for dramma and that's not want my comment was meant to make.

You haven't upset me; it takes a lot more than that.

I just don't see why it's funny that copyright is that convoluted; it's really part of the reason why copyright is the mess that it is today.

[Another Shauna Video]

I'm sorry, I just have a really bad sense of humor. It's just my way. I'm an idiot like that. I know copywriting is a serious issue, wanted to be a writer, I really understand. I really shouldn't have been mocking it. It's just my way. Again, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said what I said.

[Knowname]

Not to argue, but to further delve into this boycot thing. I would think that a boycot DONE RIGHT can be effective. What I mean is, in this situation, boycot the record labels, not the bands. Don't buy records unless Evanesance (or anybody else that took/takes this kind of action) changes labels. As various ppl have said, the bands hardly get a penny out of that. I beleive that (just boycoting the records) is what ppl mean by boycotting. Yes, it would be BETTER to write your senator about it, but there is no best way. Be it written or boycotting you still put a chink into the armor of overextensive laws and again I like Phades suggestion, it is deffiniteley <b>BETTER</b> but I would NOT stop ppl from keeping their money from where they think it belongs. One thing I did learn was those who take the low road of boycotting <b>shouldn't (have to) boycot the artists concerts along with their records/ videos</b> if you want to go to it, go to it -_-. I've found that those that take the passive aggressive approach (boycotting) don't generally want their voices heard anyway. They just want the last laugh.

Also as a personal interest ;p my former draft of letters were not stuff I would EVER do anyway, I'm a passive, be it VERY LAZY, type, I just wanted to put that suggestion out there (mostly just the suggestion to BE POLITE and compliment even if you don't make videos of the type) and am VERY satisfied with the explanation of what to avoid and why it may be a bad idea.