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Postby x_rex30 » Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:52 am

They're basically attacking fans. Does it have something to do with misrepresenting them in any way? It's a fact that the only thing the org has done is help them make money. That's a fact.. I don't generalize that much and make fun of people who are quick to jump to conclusions on things but it's an absolute FACT that they've made money from our form of advertisement. PERIOD!! This is another one of those things that make me want to become a rebel. No one downloads AMVs just to get their songs..

They have some of their stuff being used at newgrounds and a lot of other places.. If they started attacking some other popular fanmade video sites.. I bet this may hit the news on G4techTV.
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Postby Iamshadowkiller » Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:01 am

ouch

I agree with everything Devo said



ouch though :x


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Postby x_rex30 » Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:06 am

Beowulf wrote:While this is a step in a dangerous direction, no one is talking about the REAL issue of this thread:

Evenescence, Creed, and Seether were banned! HORRAY! Down with shitty music! You'll never have to watch an AMV with either of them again!
lol. That's a good way of looking at it. :lol:
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Postby [Mike of the Desert] » Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:50 am

Wait wait wait, in the end.. This means that any creator that will work on a video featuring those bands will have to NOT put it on the org?
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Postby badmartialarts » Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:57 am

x_rex30 wrote: No one downloads AMVs just to get their songs..


I would think so too. But these are only a small sample. :(

But looking at it another way, these are only a small sample of the users here as well. I personally bought Seether's album "Disclaimer II" a while back JUST for the song "Broken" featuring Amy Lee of Evanescence because I had a great AMV idea to it (which I later dropped...besides, it wouldn't have been uploadable anyway due to various reasons). In fact, nowdays I buy most of my music because I have AMV ideas for the songs. And I'd like to think that people watch my videos, realize how great the music is, and go buy the CDs too, not just callously rip the audio out for their iPods. :x
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Postby badmartialarts » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:00 am

Turns out I should have read some of those threads, some of them end with the person actually *gasp* buying the CD. :)
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Postby x_rex30 » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:03 am

I know there's people who do download amvs to get the songs.. but they're just going to steal them anyway one way or another. But there is such a huge amount of people who buy music/anime because of AMVs. I could gather up a huge example of this but I'm too lazy to do so right now.
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Postby downwithpants » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:07 am

are we allowed to link to externally hosted copies of these videos through html tags in the video information page?

and thank you phade for dealing with the issue in the best way possible.
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Postby [Mike of the Desert] » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:14 am

downwithpants wrote:are we allowed to link to externally hosted copies of these videos through html tags in the video information page?

and thank you phade for dealing with the issue in the best way possible.


Yes, Thanks Phade, it must have been quite though. :) But here it is, I was writing offline a post making this exactly question...
Could we possibly do this? Link to external Links trough the comments? Like Downwithpants said? (If I understood well, we can't put even direct links on the page of a-m-v.org. :o)
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Postby [Mike of the Desert] » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:16 am

Sorry for the double post. ;(
Grammatical error. :\

"it must have been though." =)
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Postby Zarxrax » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:41 am

While this is an unfortunate turn of events, props to Phade for handling it so well.
To those who would have liked to use songs by those artists for future videos, I would recommend you try to find covers of the songs by other artists. Not only is it a neat way to still use the song you want, but it adds some much needed variety to your video.
As for the song "Bring Me To Life", I know of 2 really great covers offhand. One is performed by Hanna (Speed Records / The SAIFAM Group), and another by ROCHELLE (I can't determine the label).
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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:43 am

Now that I’ve had time to think of it, it seems a bit naive of us to think that this one record label won't inform other record labels of this -- at least affiliated labels should get a heads up. And if the "need to protect one's copyright" is the valid and accurate assessment of the methods taken by the first group, it must be taken by all others.
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Postby [Mike of the Desert] » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:48 am

You have right Zarxrax, but the problem is that I'm working on a video from nearly one month using one of these bands, I care a lot about this work and this is surely a really bad news for me, there must be some way.. :o Indeed, I would like to hear someone that understand better legal stuff what he thinks about the question me and downwithpants made. Technically, I think that we could use that way to link our videos, using URLs on the comments, it *should* be possible. What do you think?
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Postby Corran » Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:00 am

If direct and indirect links aren't allowed what makes you think that a link in the profile is?
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Postby [Mike of the Desert] » Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:08 am

What make me think it? Mmm..
Well, probably the fact that, being links on a comment and not Links ON the site, it would be like put a link to a personal creation in a forum..

No, I'm not been clear, I mean, Local, Direct or Indirect Links are anyway Provided by the site of a-m-v.org, but a link in an URL in an html comment is different, and the question could even be: "Will us be able to at least announce our videos on the forum?"

Do you understand what I mean and what made me think something like this?
Anyway, don't be rude, I'm not attacking noone and mine is only a question. :P I would like to know if something can be done.
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