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Postby FerioDh » Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:47 pm

Well, perhaps I missed it (I skipped a few of the pages in the middle of this thread), but what I don't see is any comment about those of us hosting Direct-linked videos. The reason I haven't donated is because I'm paying for my own bandwidth for my seven vids. Essentially, I feel that I am giving to the community by contributing my own download costs, thus easing the burden on the org. I do think that the problem outlined in this thread was inevitable with the offering of the Local option, but if the mission of the site is that vids be available, I think it's best to have as many venues for that as possible.

HOWEVER, I do think that there should be some concession for those of us who are contributing our own hosting. Maybe just an application to not be considered a "leech" would be sufficient. I don't need all the perks, just some acknowledgement that even without donating I am in fact doing my part.
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Postby Phade » Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:25 am

Hey,

aielI_Ileia: Try it now.

Kirtai: Sending out physical "thank you" presents would be nice but would require us to purchase them, store them, package them up, and ship them out for each donation. Unfortunately, we (as in me) don't have time to do all that. :-(

FerioDh: That is very considerate of you to provide you own video hosting. However, do you only download non-local videos? If not, you are contributing to bandwidth use. Why not take the annual cost of hosting your videos, divide by two, and donate that amount? You would cut your hosting costs in half and help this site at the same time.

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Postby Vancore » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:58 am

I donated to this site a long time ago and I think the only reason I did it is because I had a chance to meet Phade in person. If it wasn't for that meeting I probably still wouldn't have donated, reason being that I have my own website to pay for. I could get rid of it but I like haveing a website handy.

My point, phade should attend more cons.. wait.

Actually I agree that adding rewards (OT forums, Title's, Ad's for people's AMV's, other things that were mentioned, etc) would be a good incentive for people to donate (Creators anyway). That and a cap of 25kb - 50kb for non-members may be a good idea for people just looking to download a lot. For me tho, the best incentive to donate is just meeting the person responsible but I know that can't be done all the time.

Since I go to this site often, read most of this forum about donations, made these comments and won't be attending AWA this year, you will most likely see a good portion of my gas money I would have spent for the trip going to this site soon.
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Postby Brsrk » Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:39 am

Vancore wrote:I donated to this site a long time ago and I think the only reason I did it is because I had a chance to meet Phade in person. If it wasn't for that meeting I probably still wouldn't have donated, reason being that I have my own website to pay for. I could get rid of it but I like haveing a website handy.

My point, phade should attend more cons...

Doing that this weekend. And, agreed. Phade should attend more cons if he gets the time :P
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Postby derobert » Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:17 pm

candre23 wrote:I donated $50 back in April, but right now I get the same nag screens as people who have given nothing ever.
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Postby celibi87 » Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:51 pm

ithe onlyt reason i havent donated is because i am on a college budget. maybe when i get my next paycheck then i could donate but im really hurting for money each month and its not like i go on this site every day and download millions and millions of vids. i make vids but i limit myself on how long they are and how much they are in size. maybe if you gave me a little more incentive maybe i could pitch in 5 bucks but all i see is that im throwing money into something that might die off...
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Postby shinji13 » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:21 am

I have only donated $6 and for the 700+ videos I have downloaded and oped I am a leech (but I will donate 10 bucks or so soon).

Anyway here is some suggestions:-

-You could get sponsors, I dont know how this works but this site is getting very large and I am sure there has to be some company willing to sponsor amv.

- You could remake the store, but instead of what you had in it before you should just have your own store (not cafepress). And buy shirts, sweat-shirts, mouse-pads, themed computer cases, etc. In bulk and sell them - *sponsor the fact that all money made from the products will go to supporting the site*. I would personally buy a t-shirt with Anime Freak, or AnimeMusicVideos.org, or some other slogan and surrounding it having anime characters etc.

Of course a store like this would require a lot of thought on marketing and of course business laws, but it could be expanded on (you could possibly select someone to be executive and they could make a thread.. everyone on the org could post their ideas and the executive of the project can organize everything together and work on the idea).

Well its just a thought .:shrugs:.

I also think bandwidth cuts would be a good idea, and incase your not doing this already are you making cuts in the code? Even though it wont help much it can still save a few bucks and that all adds up ^.^
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Postby Flint the Dwarf » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:24 am

Did you know your whole post is bolded?
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Postby derobert » Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:59 am

celibi87 wrote:maybe if you gave me a little more incentive
Any suggestions?
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Re: More Bandwidth and Revenue Needed

Postby rasilverstorm » Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:48 am

paizuri wrote:
Roccket wrote:
Phade wrote:^ Yes, some people legitimately cannot afford to send $1. But if you are high-school-aged or older and not on welfare, you can generally afford $1, an envelope, and a stamp per year.


Yeah, and what about people who don't use $ as their national money ? It becomes quickly more complicated for people out of USA to make a donation, as the money isn't the same, and the sending fees can be much more expensive. I know that Absolutedestiny offered to receive donations in euros vy checks from editor in Europe, and convert it into dollars to make the donations (I don't really remember the details) but that kind of things can be only done exceptionnally. Also, donating throught Paypal needs to create an account, and I believe it's not free, so not everybody would like to create that account for a single donation. Things would be much more easier for international users if the org had his own credit card payment system.

I can't speak for any actual statistics, but I do not believe that 99% of the .org population is below high school age or come from foreign countries. The fact that the roughly 1% of the .org population that do donate typically give much more than $1 is a fact that we should all be grateful for (ie. think about that the next time you see someone with a Donated status).

PayPal is free to sign up with, but they require you to register a bank account or credit card number to withdraw money from.

If you don't want to use PayPal and really wanted to send money, you could always go to your local bank and get your currency exchanged and THEN mail that. However, we understand that this is inconvenient too and probably not the best way to guarantee that the donations get to us.


I don't know, but for outsiders like me (I live in the Netherlands) it's hard to donate, specially cuz I don't got paypal, and honestly I don't want to take it either... Maybe there could be something like a backaccount made for it where people from outside of the US can donate on. Just an idea but I hope it helps.
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im so sorry about the situation

Postby xiao_tai » Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:04 am

well i guess i am one of the moocher users that has kinda realised that really 1 buck isnt really that big a deal.

i havnt got a pay pal account but im going to look into it


what i want to ask is beng an australian and the site being maintained by americans the conversion rate thing....


do you know if im able to direct deposit cash from my australian bank to your american account? the whole thing is a little new to me so i have no idea

thats kinda why i said i was looking into pay pal scince i here they take care of all those issues for you


anyway please get back to me

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sorry forgot to mention

Postby xiao_tai » Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:10 am

im not sure if Animemusicvideos.org frequent the anime convention scene or not but have you thought about contacting some of the stalls
and asking them if they would be able to place a donation tin at there stall for you

if they seem hesitent why not offer a percentage of the takings or somthing.


oh also i am slowly puting together my website and scince i hope to have this place host some of my videos in future i will place an add down the side of the page encouraging people to donate to your site other then that

ive got nothing....

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Postby Esrhan » Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:34 am

I wouldn't hesitate donating a certain amount to the org but at the moment there are no convenient or satisfying methods to do this. Checks are slow and take ages to process, money orders are unknown, I tried giving PayPal a try but they didn't have that good connections to my country and money in a letter is a risk.

If there were options for credit card payments then I think that would ease the whole donating situation, because they are globally used as well as convenient to use. Though as mentioned before many times such an option is not available at the moment for given reasons.

I believe the most obvious task, would be to focus on getting the credit card payment option available for the people. I'm sure I would donate via that.
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paypal alternative... sort of

Postby alpark » Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:57 pm

Some are complaining about paypal. I am in the US and don't like it either. What about using clickandpledge.com? They take a little more of a cut and for those that have paypal accounts, they can still use them.
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Postby FerioDh » Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:59 pm

Phade wrote:FerioDh: That is very considerate of you to provide you own video hosting. However, do you only download non-local videos? If not, you are contributing to bandwidth use. Why not take the annual cost of hosting your videos, divide by two, and donate that amount? You would cut your hosting costs in half and help this site at the same time.


Hmm. Well, I put out about 8-10GB per month in video downloads through my hosting, and I have a TOTAL library of 3.16 GB that I have downloaded from the org. (Over the years, I have downloaded about another half gig on top of that, which I haven't kept around for whatever reason.) I guess my point is that I feel like I'm contributing sufficiently to easing the load to have payed my dues, and I'm not necessarily a downloading fiend. Again, not that I should get any perks from this, but it's just another reason some people (like myself) may not be donating. The suggestion of cutting my costs and moving everything over here is reasonable, but I'm not sure it's best for my situation. The question is - will the site continue to be understanding of other modes of contribution, or will donation be more enforced? I feel that, whatever comes out of this discussion, it's best to keep some flexibility for the many different reasons some people may not be donating, because some of us are still giving to the community.
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