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Postby Moonzag » Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:59 pm

Fluxmeister wrote:Instead of the VCA's we should have the video elimination tournament. Each year 1000 videos are sacrificed. :roll:


Ohh! Battle Royale AMV-style! It sound like fun.
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Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:40 pm

Fluxmeister wrote:Instead of the VCA's we should have the video elimination tournament. Each year 1000 videos are sacrificed. :roll:


Are you suggesting we start with yours :P

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Postby billy_wires » Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:19 pm

Well, last year when Kai did his 10K pool the videos were below 10,000 on Feb 12, 2004, and broke 10,000 on March 4, 2004. Depending on when this site allowed local uploading and downloading, this could indicate that something might need to be done to possibly tighten the criteria for uploading. Maybe.
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Postby ZaCloud » Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:44 pm

Perhaps any vids that receive 25 or more stars and average at a 1.5 or lower rating could be gotten rid of like that. ^_^

(It would have to be quite a number and consistently low average of course... I've had and seen my shares of unfair star averages, but THAT low should prove that it's truly a bad video. :wink: )

Anyway... shouldn't the server's fullness be announced on the main a-m-v.org page so ppl quit trying and getting botched uploads? Not everyone can find the right threads in these massive boards ya know. :P
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:45 pm

It's stated on the upload video page.
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Postby madbunny » Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:17 pm

_Ice-Angel_ wrote:Perhaps any vids that receive 25 or more stars and average at a 1.5 or lower rating could be gotten rid of like that. ^_^


Somewhere, I think from the main page it states that the idea behind the .org isn't to only have 'good' videos, but to have 'all' amv videos. Besides, even if a video bites the sour one, a lot of us went through the same phase of editing. (where everything sucked) Having this be a system where anyone can upload a video that meets the basic criteria makes it one of the coolest sites that I've ever seen. If there was an artificial 'quality' requirement I think that would likely discourage a lot of new editors.

Where would you stop? How about age, oldest videos get deleted in favor of new ones? Least downloads, out of date codecs? Only videos with VCA nominations get to stay... you see where I going here I hope.

Besides, even though there is going to be a new server, and probably another larger one than that at some point in the future this remains the best resource of its kind anywhere. If there were never another single video uploaded, this would still be one of the best things to hit the internet that I've seen.

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Postby godix » Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:31 pm

[quote="madbunny"]Somewhere, I think from the main page it states that the idea behind the .org isn't to only have 'good' videos, but to have 'all' amv videos.[quote]
I know that's the idea behind the database of videos but that isn't what we're talking about. We're talking about local hosting and AFAIK there is no goal to locally host every video ever made.

Not that I'm neccesarily suggesting deleting videos is a good idea, just pointing out the database and local videos are two different things with two different motives behind them. I personally think the rules for a deletion request (locally hosted video only, the database entry would stay) might be relaxed somewhat but I'd be against deleting videos unless the creator specifically requested it.

OTOH, if something happened and every single DBZ or Naturo video got deleted I personally wouldn't mind either...
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Postby x_rex30 » Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:21 am

godix wrote:OTOH, if something happened and every single DBZ or Naturo video got deleted I personally wouldn't mind either...
That's never going to happen... sooo many Naruto videos on the top 10. Who are you to say they should get deleted(Not saying you are ;P)???
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Postby derobert » Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:28 am

godix wrote:We're talking about local hosting and AFAIK there is no goal to locally host every video ever made.
Why not? It seems quite obtainable. Kero has 2TiB to play with.

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Postby devilmaykickass » Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:36 am

See what happens happens when everyone start making 100MB videos? You silly geese. :roll:
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Postby Brolly345 » Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:26 pm

godix wrote:OTOH, if something happened and every single DBZ or Naturo video got deleted I personally wouldn't mind either...

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES.

But seriously, I'm not really for deleting videos. Sure we could free up space on Nago, but that would create a whole lot of animosity from people who's videos were deleted.

Also there is the question on how we would determine what the criteria for deleting the videos. Base it on what?

1. Hits? Sure not every video gets a whole lot of hits. I mean my first video just got over 1000 hits. It took nearly six months to do it, and I bet the main reason for this is because I whored it out pretty actively. A new creator would be really lucky to get very many hits at all on their videos. But this is not a very fair reason to delete. At least by itself.

2. Star average? Now this also is not a good reason to delete. Mostly because a lot of people have not so good star averages on their videos. This is due to how some people do it. They just give straight 3s, 2s, or even 1s to videos they have downloaded just so they can keep doing it.

3. Opinion scores? This would not be very fair because maybe not everyone thinks the video is bad. I've gotten some bad ops. I'm sure everyone has.

4. Date uploaded? This would be kind of unfair because all the older videos would get deleted. So eventually everyone's video would be lost. Good or bad.

Now maybe a combination of these catagories would make the video worthy of deletion, but that is neither here nor there.

Now please note I do not think deleting videos is even a consideration. I just wanted to give my two cents on the subject.
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Postby Castor Troy » Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:34 pm

Maybe get rid of anything that's not avi, wmv, mpg, rm etc...

Some people are notorious for uploaing wmm project files and vobs here...
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Postby Gemberkoekje » Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:46 pm

I wondered - how does Nagi and the other one *4got his name* work together in uploading and downloading? i.o.w. how does the system know where to save and where to search?
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Postby Kai Stromler » Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:04 pm

Gemberkoekje wrote:I wondered - how does Nagi and the other one *4got his name* work together in uploading and downloading? i.o.w. how does the system know where to save and where to search?


disclaimer: I'm not derobert and so this information has no guarantee of accuracy


If I was implementing a workalike from scratch, I would drop a key/value pair for location back into the video entry when an upload was confirmed. The value of this key would be the path to the video on the appropriate server. Recall that when you download a video, you download it from "nago.animemusicvideos.org/whatever"; now that Nago is full, once Kero comes online and starts getting videos, new videos that are loaded on kero will be downloaded from "kero.animemusicvideos.org/whatever". There's no need to search as the path is dropped into the database entry of the video in question on upload.

Since the .org's administrators are at least as smart as I am with regards this sort of situation, and likely more so, there's probably something like this (though with a more elegant implementation) in place.

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Postby godix » Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:43 pm

derobert wrote:
godix wrote:We're talking about local hosting and AFAIK there is no goal to locally host every video ever made.
Why not? It seems quite obtainable. Kero has 2TiB to play with.

Because the rules on locally hosted vids specifically forbid it. No sex and violence allowed.
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