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Really need AMVapp beta testers

Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:30 pm

I really need people to come forward who are willing to test out the new AMVapp on their system. I only have my own system to test this with and I am not releasing a new program until I know it works on other operating systems with other things installed.

So. Who wants to give it a try? You must not be in the middle of a video and you must have a windows install of some kind but other than that anyone can give it a try.

Obviously Premiere users (5,6 or Pro) would be very useful too as there is a new Premiere AVS Plugin to try out as well.

So please give me a hand and test out the program for me. PM, IM or email me - I dont care which - and I will send you the program. Then all I need in return is a report on:

1) What OS you used
2) If it all installed correctly and if not why not.
3) If it all *uninstalled* correctly and if not why not.
4) If all the programs work, have correct links etc...

I'll look forward to seeing all you volunteers and I'm sure it wont mess up your system that badly if it doesn't work :)
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Postby Corran » Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:53 pm

Is the rule about not being in the middle of a project just so we can't blame you for our loss? I can re-install everything I currently have if I need to.
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:57 pm

Corran Productions wrote:Is the rule about not being in the middle of a project just so we can't blame you for our loss? I can re-install everything I currently have if I need to.


Well I dont want to interfere with the way you have things set up now.

Some of the elements of the AMVapp may seem the same but will give you different results. If you used the decomb that came with the last amvapp, for example, and tried to use the same scripts in this one you will find they wont work because that filter has changed.

There are ways in the new app to use old versions (loadlegacydecomb() is a function I have defined) but really I dont want any incompatibilities to arise from old clashing with new.

If you know what you are doing then fine but I'd rather most people didn't take the risk.
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Postby Voices_Of_Ryan » Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:32 pm

I'll sign up if you want... I'm just waiting for my new processor (should be here friday).

But other than that, I have a bran new computer with no other editing programs but Adobe 6.0 on it, so :P it's all fresh and ready.
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Postby Maverick-Rubik » Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:35 pm

The new version has Virtual Dub mod!! :P
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Postby Dannywilson » Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:12 pm

Sure, I'm game, why the hell not. I'll IM you when I get home from work AD. I was just about to clean wipe my Transportable too, so this would be a good time I suppose.
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Sat Apr 17, 2004 3:39 am

Well so far it seems the main bug is that Windows XP seems to like holding on to any previously installed versions of Lame.acm so wont let the AMVapp write a new one... which sucks.

I might try a rename+delete approach if the file is detected. If someone who has had this problem can message me then I can send them just the lame installer to test out.
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Postby jonmartensen » Sat Apr 17, 2004 9:30 am

Hey AD, I sent in an e-mail describing what happened yesterday from my dorks_ account. If you could send an e-mail back to that account with a link to any new lame installer, I'll give it a shot and see if it works.
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Postby JCD » Sat Apr 17, 2004 11:13 am

I think I'll test this, too...

I've been wondering anyway,
1) there was shit coming out of an IVTC with decomb 5 on my computer (absolutely jaggy pans) and
2) how this thing can open d2v files, since ANY version of mpeg2dec3 for avisynth 2.5x messed up the interlacing of the dvd because it directly imported it in YV12 although DVDs are in YUV2...
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:09 pm

JCD wrote:1) there was shit coming out of an IVTC with decomb 5 on my computer (absolutely jaggy pans) and
2) how this thing can open d2v files, since ANY version of mpeg2dec3 for avisynth 2.5x messed up the interlacing of the dvd because it directly imported it in YV12 although DVDs are in YUV2...


1) There is no such thing as YUV2 - if you mean YUY2 then you are wrong again - DVDs use YV12. The old guides simplified colorspace descriptions into RGB and YUV so did not discuss YV12.

2) "Jaggy pans" will depend massively on the decimation method and pattern guidance. Decomb 5 has lots of methods for all sorts of footage types - there is no 'one setting suits all' so you need to be careful about which options you choose.

If, for some reason, you don't like the new decomb you can actually use this command

loadlegacydecomb()

Which I included inthe amvapp. It will do things exactly the way they were in the old amvapp.
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Postby Wonka » Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:25 pm

As soon as I finish my current video, I would be glad to help. How long will this be going on?
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:35 pm

Wonka wrote:As soon as I finish my current video, I would be glad to help. How long will this be going on?


Until I release I guess.

There's a couple of versions of programs which are in the process of being updated (such as dvd2avi and xvid) that I'd like to wait on final releases but that wont change the operation of things.

So yeah, it's going to be a week or two before final final release I'm guessing.
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Postby JCD » Sat Apr 17, 2004 2:14 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:1) There is no such thing as YUV2 - if you mean YUY2 then you are wrong again - DVDs use YV12. The old guides simplified colorspace descriptions into RGB and YUV so did not discuss YV12.

Yes, basicly I meant YUV 4:2:2
However, the thing is if you convert interlaced footage from YUV 4:2:2 from whatever source to YUV 4:2:0 (YV12), the interlacing gets messed up because you have 4 luma and 2 chroma samples per line so 2 lines will share their chroma information.
Could be that it wasn't eternely correct what I read, but when I tried using Avisynth 2.5 for my DVDs that was the result ;) :
http://www.yahiko.de/amv/Aninet/temp/ilfalsch.jpg
This is what it should look like:
http://www.yahiko.de/amv/Aninet/temp/ilrichtig.jpg
I even specified the field order in mpeg2dec3, but it didn't help.
After I typed the line YV12toYUY2() under the mpeg2source command the interlacing was correct again, therefor I believed DVDs are YUV 4:2:2 :?

Hopefully the new guide will clear things up, there's alot of false information about colorspaces floating around in the internet
2) "Jaggy pans" will depend massively on the decimation method and pattern guidance. Decomb 5 has lots of methods for all sorts of footage types - there is no 'one setting suits all' so you need to be careful about which options you choose.

If, for some reason, you don't like the new decomb you can actually use this command

loadlegacydecomb()

Which I included inthe amvapp. It will do things exactly the way they were in the old amvapp.

Cool, I tried out a few options with field orders and none worked so far, so I just need to tweak things abit I guess ^_^
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Sat Apr 17, 2004 2:33 pm

What you are talking about is upsampling and it's not a problem with YV12 it's a problem with converting YV12 to YUY2 or RGB not the other way around.

DVD footage, as I have said already, is YV12. I talk about this at length in the guide so until that is published can we keep this discussion to be on the AMVapp please?
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Postby Flint the Dwarf » Sat Apr 17, 2004 3:22 pm

Alright well, I'll try this all out after work tonight. I've got everything installed and ready to go... but no DVD-R drive. I could always install my drive on this compy, if you want. But if it's no big deal, I'll just test out other stuff.
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