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Postby Castor Troy » Fri Dec 12, 2003 5:22 pm

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Why not delete every reply in this thread and leave this one in? :lol:
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Postby )v(ajin Koji » Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:00 pm

agreed
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Postby mexicanjunior » Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:57 pm

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[MOD359]Half the reason for the removal of the OT forums is that they were detracting from the rest of the site. Useful people were leaving because the OT forums were bringing in the kind of useless people which make the site unenjoyable for those who chose not to tolerate their shinanigans. Removing those people makes the site more useful, because more useful people will be around.



You know, originally I thought the main reason off topic was removed was because the mods were tired of babysitting the OT threads, which I can respect. Now that I see the main reason was because it pushed away former big name creators and Phade wanted them back...it makes me think it was removed for all the wrong reasons. :?


I'm sorry, why can't there be two reasons for doing it?[/quote]

There can be as many reasons as people would like to claim there is, I just think the one listed as an example above is more of a "us (AMV elite) against them (OT posters)" mentaility, which I feel is rather silly. :? Not everyone that posted in OT falls in the stereotype of spammer, nuisance, troublemaker, forum abuser that mods/Phade claim them to be. The a-m-v.org news ad is pretty funny though. Either way, it doesn't affect my involvement with the site, I still use the other forums and options of the site as I always have, I just think a little less of the people bashing OT forum posters is all.
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Postby dokool » Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:37 pm

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Postby J-0080 » Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:47 pm

Sure the mods may have a lot of stuff to do, sure they may have a lot of post to edit, or move, or delete even, but theres just one little thing to that.


It's their job!


A job that they're not even getting paid for I might add, you don't hear about volunteers at homeless shelters kicking people out because they don't feel like helping them all.
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Postby jonmartensen » Fri Dec 12, 2003 11:15 pm

J-0080 wrote:Sure the mods may have a lot of stuff to do, sure they may have a lot of post to edit, or move, or delete even, but theres just one little thing to that.


It's their job!


A job that they're not even getting paid for I might add, you don't hear about volunteers at homeless shelters kicking people out because they don't feel like helping them all.


You forgot to add that the homeless are shitting all over the place, throwing crap around, messing with the kitchen, and ungratefully yelling at the people that give them free stuff.
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Postby MCWagner » Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:53 am

mexicanjunior wrote:
MCWagner wrote:
mexicanjunior wrote:
You know, originally I thought the main reason off topic was removed was because the mods were tired of babysitting the OT threads, which I can respect. Now that I see the main reason was because it pushed away former big name creators and Phade wanted them back...it makes me think it was removed for all the wrong reasons. :?


I'm sorry, why can't there be two reasons for doing it?


There can be as many reasons as people would like to claim there is, I just think the one listed as an example above is more of a "us (AMV elite) against them (OT posters)" mentaility, which I feel is rather silly. :? Not everyone that posted in OT falls in the stereotype of spammer, nuisance, troublemaker, forum abuser that mods/Phade claim them to be.


Well, you may want to note that you're putting words in their mouths here. They say that the activity in OT was driving off "useful" members. You interpret "useful" to mean either "big name" or "elite". I took them to mean "people who weren't spamming, posting porn, or inciting flamewars." In other words, the people not acting like assholes. "Useful people were leaving because the OT forums were bringing in the kind of useless people which make the site unenjoyable for those who chose not to tolerate their shinanigans." They didn't say that all of the OT posters did that, they said that OT was bringing them in. Can you deny that OT has attracted some really annoying individuals? You see a division between the "elite" and "OT posters", I see the division between "complete assholes that've been banned multiple times who happen to hang out solely in OT" and "everyone else." We're not talking about the same groups.
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Postby MCWagner » Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:57 am

J-0080 wrote:Sure the mods may have a lot of stuff to do, sure they may have a lot of post to edit, or move, or delete even, but theres just one little thing to that.


It's their job!


A job that they're not even getting paid for I might add, you don't hear about volunteers at homeless shelters kicking people out because they don't feel like helping them all.


Homeless people don't have anywhere else to go. Therefore it's charity. Forum posters have a near-infinite number of other sites to visit. Therefore it's providing a privaledge.

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Postby Tab. » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:00 am

There are other shelters in other towns, they just have to move to them, potentially splitting up with friends and familiarities. Granted it's far easier to find another internet forum than to walk to another town when you're starving, but the principle is the same.

Just saying.
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Postby Arigatomina » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:08 am

MCWagner wrote:Homeless people don't have anywhere else to go. Therefore it's charity. Forum posters have a near-infinite number of other sites to visit. Therefore it's providing a privaledge.


Another difference is that homeless people rairly pay for the charity the way some donators do here, they don't pay for the privilege of being told to go somewhere else if you don't like it.

We're sorry that the free ice cream isn't your favorite flavor. Would you care for us to refund your subscription?


Call it a highly discounted ice cream. The cheapest, widest variety of icecream you'll find, but not quite free considering the members pay to buy the icecream being distributed. Who knows, maybe if they paid more they'd get to choose the flavors once in a while...
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Postby mexicanjunior » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:15 am

MCWagner wrote:Well, you may want to note that you're putting words in their mouths here. They say that the activity in OT was driving off "useful" members. You interpret "useful" to mean either "big name" or "elite". I took them to mean "people who weren't spamming, posting porn, or inciting flamewars." In other words, the people not acting like assholes. "Useful people were leaving because the OT forums were bringing in the kind of useless people which make the site unenjoyable for those who chose not to tolerate their shinanigans." They didn't say that all of the OT posters did that, they said that OT was bringing them in. Can you deny that OT has attracted some really annoying individuals? You see a division between the "elite" and "OT posters", I see the division between "complete assholes that've been banned multiple times who happen to hang out solely in OT" and "everyone else." We're not talking about the same groups.


Annoying individuals can post on any number of different sections of the forums, saying OT was the sole reason for their presence and behavior doesn't seem fair to me. For every annoying person that posted in OT, others could be found in General Anime or General Music, why is one facet of the forums taking the brunt of the punishment and blame for it's downfall? Like I said though, I really have no stake in this either way, I just hate to see so many posters be marked as "undesirables" solely for the forum section they chose to post in. I do agree with most pro OT eliminators though in saying that it is Phade's toy and he can play with it any way he chooses.
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Postby MCWagner » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:27 am

mexicanjunior wrote:Annoying individuals can post on any number of different sections of the forums, saying OT was the sole reason for their presence and behavior doesn't seem fair to me. For every annoying person that posted in OT, others could be found in General Anime or General Music, why is one facet of the forums taking the brunt of the punishment and blame for it's downfall? Like I said though, I really have no stake in this either way, I just hate to see so many posters be marked as "undesirables" solely for the forum section they chose to post in. I do agree with most pro OT eliminators though in saying that it is Phade's toy and he can play with it any way he chooses.


Do you really think that's true? There is as much spam and necessitated moderation in GA than in OT? I know I've been away for a long time, but that hardly seems possible. Note that I'm talking about people breaking the rules and being annoying on purpose, not the squealing kiddies who don't know better.

You're putting words in their mouths again. They didn't say that they're "undesireables" because of the forum they post in, they're saying that there are a lot of assholes in OT, not that all of them are. They're not saying that it was the sole reason for their presence, they're saying that facet is taking the fall, because it's the facet that keeps attracting new assholes. It's taking the brunt of the "punishment" because it's the biggest concentration of the problem. (Which you as much admit in your comment that "the mods were getting tired of babysitting the OT" was a good enough reason.) If there's moths in your honey, maybe you should turn off the lamp over it.
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Postby mexicanjunior » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:50 am

MCWagner wrote:You're putting words in their mouths again. They didn't say that they're "undesireables" because of the forum they post in, they're saying that there are a lot of assholes in OT, not that all of them are. They're not saying that it was the sole reason for their presence, they're saying that facet is taking the fall, because it's the facet that keeps attracting new assholes. It's taking the brunt of the "punishment" because it's the biggest concentration of the problem. (Which you as much admit in your comment that "the mods were getting tired of babysitting the OT" was a good enough reason.) If there's moths in your honey, maybe you should turn off the lamp over it.


I just feel your entire argument that OT attracted the "asshole" element of the community is way to generalized. I posted in OT, does that make me part of the "useless" element a-m-v.org wishes to eliminate? There are many others like me, people that aren't assholes and yet still found some enjoyment out of using that section of the forums. I noticed in your journal, you mention names of the people you despised that ran amok in OT...if you can single out individuals, why were they not dealt with as individuals instead of putting a blanket over that whole section of the forums and saying "you are ruining our site with your BS, no soup for you!". How soon will it be before the forum sections I mentioned (GA and GM) garner the same treatment. I've seen threads in both sections escalate to flames and idiocy, so I don't see how either will last. Also, in regards to my statement about "babysitting the OT", it is a very valid reason, mods shouldn't have to moderate more than what is neccessary. At the same time, in the mod response, it states very clearly the removal of OT was also done to eliminate the "useless" faction, which I deem to mean "undesirable", solely because they no longer wish for those members to remain active here. All I'm saying is, "useless members" should not be synonimous with "OT" section as a whole and I feel you are painting it out to be. You or the mods may not have come out and said it (hence all the "words in the mouth" statements) but I feel it is strongly implied.
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Postby Arigatomina » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:58 am

Phade wrote:It has become too much of a clique/social gathering of people who are not really contributing to world of anime music videos.


Just in case people forget what Phade gave as his primary reason for deleting OT. The mention of the Mods came after this statement, making it a secondary reason at best.

A social gathering of non-contributing people, otherwise dubbed a 'useless lump' - yes, that is saying the people who posted there were part of the 'useless lump'. No exceptions are given in this statement (the announcement at the head of this thread - forget the controversy over possible reasons, Phade decided to do it, and he gives his reasons very clear and simple - useless lump, social gathering of non-contributing people). Any mention of the Mod's efforts only comes after this statement on the 'sort' of people who posted there.

[I'm not arguing, just reminding people what Phade said, since there seems to be some dispute over *why* OT was deleted.]
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Postby CaTaClYsM » Sat Dec 13, 2003 3:06 am

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=clique

now lets compare the OT forum members as a clique against the elitists. Which group does the defenition clique aply to better?
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