AbsoluteDestiny wrote:What Cat and a LOT of other people on this thread do not seem to realise is that the reasons behind SpPanda's banning was not entirely based on his actions on the forum.
It wasn't just because of spamming.
It wasn't just because of roms.
It was aided, more significantly, by the way he personally attacked Phade in private (on aim, with fake accounts, etc). I think Phade is being kind in not airing dirty laundry in public by posting things that were said to him by SpPanda in private. OK, so you may not know all of the details regarding the ban, but Phade was really being diplomatic by keeping those detials private.
As far as I can tell, the only thing stopping his ban second time around was an honest apology.
I know Daniel has changed a lot since the ban and this is why it's being considered to let him back. I'm surprised Phade has considered it given what was said in the past, but I respect Phade for being forgiving.
I don't have a problem with Daniel - he's never offended me personally - but I know I'd feel negatively towards him had I been on the receiving end of some of the things back then.
Hopefully, of course, that's all water under the bridge and hopefully Cataclysm can understand that just because there were no solid reasons given doesn't mean there wasn't good reason.
Jace, this is not hostility. I've been hostile in the past so you know what it looks like. (Firsthand.)
AD, I think the proper wording would be is that Cat and a lot of people
were not told is the reason behind SpPanda's banning on the forum's. Because from the moment I saw Phade's first post about it which I quoted I did in fact realise the reasons behind SpPanda's banning was not entirely based on his actions on the forum. If I didn't realise that then would I have joined the bring back SpPanda group? would I have resented phade for lying about the reason why SpPanda was banned? No, I would not have. And to make thing's clear. My anger was not directed at the fact that SpPanda was banned, but that Phade did not tell the truth about why he was banned in the first place.
But you know what AD? If what you say is true then I was right about the fact that Phade was not truthful about why SpPanda was banned. I was right that it didn't have to do with his actions on the forum's, and that phade did in fact have a problem with Daniel Araujo the human being, not SpPanda the forum member.
Take a good look at why phade said he was banned. I knew imediatly that it wasnt the truth and by keeping the fact's hidden I have for the longest time looked down on phade for it. And you know what, I still look down on phade for hiding the truth and I will until I get the whole story from him and or Panda. But phade should realize that a feeble minded spammer like me was able to see through his poorly concieved explanation that it would have been better for him and everyone else to tell the truth. I am believe it or not an intelligent human being and when someone patronizes me with clear cut lies I will be understandably offended by it.
Now back to why you say Panda was really banned. If what you say is true then that clearly changes things. If SpPanda was attacking phade the way you say he was then I can clearly understand why Phade took the actions that he took. But you know what? That isn't the way Phade said it happened, and it doesn't change the fact that everything I said in my last post was true. Regardless of what the reason is lying is only going to make things worse. If he was truly trying to defend SpPanda's reputation then that was noble of him. However it doesn't change the fact that he lied to everyone on the forum's about the reason for Panda's banning and then lied AGAIN aobut his neutrality and indifference when this is CLEARLY about a personal issue between him and Panda.
Now why Phade protected Panda when he had no need to and why he is allowing the votes of forum members decide the outcome of what you claim to be a personal problem between the two of them I do not know. But I still for the time being think that the way Phade handled it was wrong.
So in other words, one part of the community is waging war on another part of the community because they take their community seriously enough to want to do so. Then they tell the powerless side to get over the loss cause it's just an online community. I'm glad people make so much sense." -- Tab