Top 10% Min Requirement Raised

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Postby Phade » Mon Jul 14, 2003 9:57 am

Hey,

Arigatomyna: Some vids come and go. With the full Donut server on the way, putting up more vids is completely an option when it gets here, but most will still be up to the video creator to do it.

ZeWrestler: I'm probably going to rewrite the "under rated" section to pull from the local vids, thus fixing that problem.

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Postby ZeWrestler » Mon Jul 14, 2003 5:15 pm

sounds cool phade
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Re: Top 10% Min Requirement Raised

Postby dwchang » Mon Jul 14, 2003 6:59 pm

Phade wrote:Hey All,

With the creation of the Star Scale, the minimum number of opinions to appear on the Top 10% list has been increased from 3 to 7. This has reduced the number of videos appearing on the list but should also reduce the number of videos that shouldn't be on the list. More tweaking to follow.

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Quick thing...it says at the bottom:

"Qualified = count(opinions) > 7"

That would mean 8 opinions to qualify. Not 7.

Did you mean for it to be 7 instead of 8? I think you did based on this post, but perhaps you meant to say 8 here.

Given, it doesn't matter that much, just figured I'd point out a possible typo or worse something that requires actual work :(.
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Postby fyrtenheimer » Mon Jul 14, 2003 7:06 pm

Yeah, I noticed that as well.
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Postby Dannywilson » Thu Jul 17, 2003 11:30 pm

Phade, can we get an all 1's op purge anytime soon? The top 10% had a rash of those several weeks back from a "Super Vegeta" and others who wanted thier own videos to be pushed into the top slots...
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Postby dwchang » Fri Jul 18, 2003 12:58 am

Dannywilson wrote:Phade, can we get an all 1's op purge anytime soon? The top 10% had a rash of those several weeks back from a "Super Vegeta" and others who wanted thier own videos to be pushed into the top slots...


Yeah I noticed that guy on a lot of ppl's with all 1's :(. Sorry guys...
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Postby Arigatomina » Fri Jul 18, 2003 5:24 am

While you're at it, you might want to discount the 'all 10s' scores as well. I think few people would complain about getting them (not me ^_^;; ), but they're just as unrealistic as the 'all 1s' voters, when you get right down to it. If you cut out the low, it's just right to cut out the top as well...isn't it? :? It's like the 1s and 5s for the star scale counts...

Of course, I don't know anyone who'd want their random 'all 10s' removed, but they're still just as deviant from the 'norm' as an 'all 1s' score - or at least they *should* be if the average to aim for is 5.
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Fri Jul 18, 2003 5:58 am

I think removing the all 10s would be quite dramatic - I bet there's a lot of them.

I know that Shameless Rock Video has had some opinions that said things like "I never thought I'd give a video all 10s but with this one I had to".

Whether I agree with them or not there are people who do think it's possible to give a video all 10s.

Also, if you delete the opinion in its entirety, what if it was a really long detailed and useful opinion on all the different elements they liked about the video? That opinion would be lost forever.

In short, although I can understand why you'd want to remove all 10s opinions I dont think they deserve deletion. All 1s opinions rarely offer constructive criticism, so it's less of na issue. All 10s ones can be valid opinions.

Heh, I guess you could just say that, unless the person writes over 100 words on the opinion, an all 10s review doesnt count in the scoring :P That would remove many people who dont think about the scoring and just say something is great ^_^
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Postby Arigatomina » Fri Jul 18, 2003 6:58 am

Heh, believe me, I don't want to see the 'all 10s' removed. But there are many cases where people give or recieve those and the people handing them out say as little as the ones handing out the 'all 1s.' My thoughts are just this - if you cut out the 1s because you don't think it's fair, or because they don't say much, then you should have to cut out the 10s for the same reason. There are videos people think are bad that have gotten 10s because some viewers love them. And then there are videos people think are great that have gotten 1s because some viewers hate them. If you're going to keep only the 'average-given' votes, you'd need to cut out the high scores along with the low. Otherwise, it really isn't fair to those people who hand out 1s because they thought something was terrible - any more than it's fair to the ones who hand out 10s because they thought something was wonderful. :?

It's hard enough to get people to leave reviews - I just don't want to see them being modified so only the ones agreeing with 'average scores' get included. If you cut out the low for deviating too far, then you have to cut out the high as well.
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:11 am

Yeah, but there's a big difference between an all 10 and all 1 review... some things it's just not really possible to get a 1 on...


1 for sound quality? Can you ever, really imagine giving something a 1 for sound quality... I mean, how can someone really mess that up. Even if it's an 8bit mono wav file it's still going to be 2 or 3 for sound quality. I mean, as long as you can hear it and make out the tune I cant see something getting a 1.

Most all 1s videos dont think about the individual elements, they just give all of it 1 cause they thought the video was terrible.

Honestly, I still think there's a big difference between the amount of thought gone into ALL of the all 1s reviews in comparison to ALL of the all 10s ones.
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Postby Arigatomina » Fri Jul 18, 2003 12:32 pm

Yeah, it *is* pretty hard to get a 1 for audio. Just as long as it's only the impossibly low scores that are getting edited out I wouldn't say anything. I can't see how any video would deserve *all* 1s. I guess I'm worried about averages - and counting out the scores that deviate the most. For instance, taking a video with 15 reviews and cutting out the lowest 2 because they were considerably lower than the others - if they're all *1s* maybe, but not just because 2 viewers had a different reading of the video. I just think you should be careful when editing out *reviews* according to standard deviation. With the stars it's different - there's no written explanation and people can and will click numbers without thinking. With reviews, you have to take into account the explanation they give to go with the numbers.

If someone has a lot of low scores and only says:

'good - i deleted it;
bad - the video;
overall - see good and bad'

- then that sort of review could be discredited. But just because a review is lower than the average shouldn't mean it doesn't deserve to be counted - unless you're going to do the same for the high reviews that read:

'good - the vid;
bad - nothing;
general - i loved it'

- because the two reviews are about the same when it comes to explaining the scores.

But don't mind me, I just don't like the idea of using 'averages' to determine what reviews to count and which ones not to. I *do* think there are a lot of hateful reviews that could and should be thrown out. It's the method of distinguishing those from the others that worries me. ^_^;;
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Postby Tash » Fri Jul 18, 2003 12:32 pm

If you make a rule about a certain number of words to qualify...then people are just gonne copy and paste "IT SUCKED" 50 times.
Or "ITS GREAT"
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Postby EarthCurrent » Fri Jul 18, 2003 2:04 pm

Tash wrote:If you make a rule about a certain number of words to qualify...then people are just gonne copy and paste "IT SUCKED" 50 times.
Or "ITS GREAT"

In order to avoid this,
you simply don't tell
anyone about the rule.
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Postby fyrtenheimer » Fri Jul 18, 2003 2:31 pm

TOO LATE
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Postby OmniStrata » Sat Jul 19, 2003 10:26 pm

Delete all the 1s and 10s reviews?

Why not just give a vid all 2s and all 9s then?

:lol:

There's too much crap these idiots will just go around so as far as that is concerned. If it's an all 1s/10s, then yes, delete them if the "ratio" of these "dumb ops" for a vid is stupidly low. Say a vid JUST gets a 1s opinion and the rest of the ops are in the high 7s/8s. Heck, delete the 1s!

But once again, someone can just counter it... So as far as that is concerned, if a vid is "strong enough", nobody has the brains or is willing to put out the effort to make 90 accounts to give a video like twenty 1s opinions with 20 different account names. [of course, you can track the perpetrator's ip, make it public, and let some of the more evil [ :twisted: ] people deal with it instead...]

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