State of the Org - 10-13-10

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Re: State of the Org - 10-13-10

Postby post-it » Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:38 am

BasharOfTheAges wrote:... It works for other threads, but for this global announcement, it only brings you to the top of the most recent page.
well, in order for the first statement to remain on the screen .. and the others to be scroll-able is not
that hard to do. The trick is the subject which follow:
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.. We used to do something like this on our message boards with streamloader accounts ..
are you sure you want to return to those old days????

FYI .. it was just a simple subjects listing with expandable/collapsible sub-messaging drawers.
.. they required a monitor to clean-up and grant access. we never tryed to add pictures to that java!
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Re: State of the Org - 10-13-10

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:28 pm

It's a bug with the "global announcement" message type. That's it.
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Re: State of the Org - 10-13-10

Postby godix » Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:07 am

BasharOfTheAges wrote:This global announcement about redesign has uncovered a bug. That little page with arrow icon that appears on a thread that has new replies is supposed to automatically scroll your window to the newest post you haven't yet read. It works for other threads, but for this global announcement, it only brings you to the top of the most recent page.

If you are reading whichever board this message was originally posted to, then it works correctly. Since it's global though, it appears on all boards. So if you're reading this on a different board than it was posted to then the behavior you mention happens. At least, last time I noticed this issue that was what was going on. I didn't look into it for this specific thread though. Probably same deal still.
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Re: State of the Org - 10-13-10

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:11 am

godix wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:This global announcement about redesign has uncovered a bug. That little page with arrow icon that appears on a thread that has new replies is supposed to automatically scroll your window to the newest post you haven't yet read. It works for other threads, but for this global announcement, it only brings you to the top of the most recent page.

If you are reading whichever board this message was originally posted to, then it works correctly. Since it's global though, it appears on all boards. So if you're reading this on a different board than it was posted to then the behavior you mention happens. At least, last time I noticed this issue that was what was going on. I didn't look into it for this specific thread though. Probably same deal still.

Good catch.
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Re: State of the Org - 10-13-10

Postby Knowname » Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:06 pm

Zarxrax wrote:Some don't want this site to turn into YouTube, but I propose that if we want to expand the audience, this is exactly the direction that we need to move in.

I want an 'expanded' audience... I don't necessarily want it to be popular. What I want is more tech-nerds on this site! Why are we an 'anime' site? we are equal part 'video' and even 'music' are we not? yet somehow we only attract the 'anime' croud? I myself am more interested in the video aspect. It would do our guides good if we had more techies on hand though.

Zarxrax wrote:YouTube is amazing for viewers. You can easily leave comments about a particular video for OTHER VIEWERS. On the org... you leave comments for the creator. There is absolutely no interaction among the viewers.

easy, leave OPINIONS!! QCs are the BANE of this site! I been saying that since the beginning!

Zarxrax wrote:On youtube, you watch a video, and then tons of other videos are presented to you all over the screen. Its very easy to start watching one thing, and then watch another 10 videos before you exit.
On the org... you watch a video, then you are done.

VERY good idea! Playlists! I would also like to click on a person's name and watch all the videos in his top 50 (with a editable playlist on the side ofc just in case you want to take any of them off) can we do this? Perhaps it'd get ppl to fill out their top 50's more... and how do we do this?? by writing ops!

I had a suggestion back in the day, akin to how the OC Remix artists have links on last.fm and wikipedia WHY don't we have such?? Now it would be stupid to give myself a wikipedia article (would it??) but how about Phade? Forget Wikipedia, but. how about we link some of our anime series' to animenfo.com or something.
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Re: State of the Org - 10-13-10

Postby JaddziaDax » Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:21 pm

Opinions are also feedback solely for the editor. They open up no real conversation for just viewers. Besides, the editor can only choose two of the opinions to be public. Compared to the comment system that youtube has, where viewers can leave comments for other viewers, the closest thing we have on this site, is the announcement forum.
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Re: State of the Org - 10-13-10

Postby Scintilla » Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:14 pm

JaddziaDax wrote:Opinions are also feedback solely for the editor. They open up no real conversation for just viewers. Besides, the editor can only choose two of the opinions to be public.

Well, unless the viewer him/herself leaves an opinion; then s/he can view all of the others for that video...

But yes, you can't have a conversation between viewers that way.
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Re: State of the Org - 10-13-10

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:16 pm

Scintilla wrote:
JaddziaDax wrote:Opinions are also feedback solely for the editor. They open up no real conversation for just viewers. Besides, the editor can only choose two of the opinions to be public.

Well, unless the viewer him/herself leaves an opinion; then s/he can view all of the others for that video...

But yes, you can't have a conversation between viewers that way.

And this is a bad thing?
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Re: State of the Org - 10-13-10

Postby Chained(E)Studio » Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:46 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:
Scintilla wrote:
JaddziaDax wrote:Opinions are also feedback solely for the editor. They open up no real conversation for just viewers. Besides, the editor can only choose two of the opinions to be public.

Well, unless the viewer him/herself leaves an opinion; then s/he can view all of the others for that video...

But yes, you can't have a conversation between viewers that way.

And this is a bad thing?


Agreed, bad thing? (hope I got what you meant right)

I dunno about anyone else, but I like my opinions being strictly for me. That's why I ask for opinions, to get some tips, and more indepth critisism on my amvs. If I just wanted random comments, I'd post it on youtube. I don't personally want all that random comments, and then comment fights, and all the junk that comes with having it open to all viewers. Nor do I want ratings. I just generally am here because I don't have to have all that random bashing that youtube invites :3

I do think playists would be nice, or finding other ways for the viewer to enjoy. Like if you wanted to have ratings, but the editor could turn it off? Or if there was a way to make the annoucement thread more open? So if viewers wanted to post comments there they could, but yeah.. dunno.

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Re: State of the Org - 10-13-10

Postby post-it » Fri Oct 22, 2010 1:09 pm

:?: erps .. I can see one flaw in that argument; levels of qualification!
( who is qualified to state fact over opinion on someones work? )
and
( who has the right to strike-up a conversation with minors? do you know how old they are; I don't!!) :nono:
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Re: State of the Org - 10-13-10

Postby Knowname » Fri Oct 22, 2010 1:16 pm

I agree if we want public criticism we have announcement threads or Op exchange for that. Unfortunately this may not satisfy some of our more 'vain' users, but... otherwise a 'public posting' session would a) turn into a ROAST or b) turn into what you get on youtube 'this video was cool!' I mean just look at our announcement threads?

slightly OT, why do ppl complain so much about announcement threads turning into judgements but not op exchange??
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Re: State of the Org - 10-13-10

Postby Kariudo » Fri Oct 22, 2010 1:17 pm

Post it:
The first one is decided by the person getting the op
The second one is only a problem in Canada
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Re: State of the Org - 10-13-10

Postby Knowname » Fri Oct 22, 2010 1:35 pm

Knowname wrote:slightly OT, why do ppl complain so much about announcement threads turning into judgements but not op exchange??


I think the answer here is because op exchange is SPECIFICALLY saying 'if/ when you have a strong opinion about my video put it on my profile page and I'll do the same for you!' they never leave it out in the open on the public forum. I think this is what we need for announcement threads. I mean it'd be nice if everyone just had thicker skin, but... to be more 'inviting' I think we need to make it EASIER to link announcement threads to video profiles such as op exchange threads are. The best way I can see doing this is by pushing the UNDERSTANDING, like how it is understood in op exchange, you leave your op in the video profile. This is a very LOOSE answer (as not everybody follows/ knows the rules.. in fact at our age, not many of us do :/), but... at least I've proposed (hopefully) a clearer understanding to the problem.

I'm not sure if the site as a whole needs to change really, just the way announcements are made. There is also the 'problem' noobs (and general comp-u-tards who don't know how to ftp...) have about uploading videos. But I think these are the only two main issues. Anything else would compromise the original focus of the site.
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Re: State of the Org - 10-13-10

Postby post-it » Fri Oct 22, 2010 1:45 pm

Kariudo wrote:
Post it wrote:..who has the right to strike-up a conversation with minors?..
.. is only a problem in Canada.
.. hmm, my bad - I thought it was a world wide issue; I stand corrected ^_^ -- THx
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Re: State of the Org - 10-13-10

Postby Chained(E)Studio » Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:25 pm

post-it wrote::?: erps .. I can see one flaw in that argument; levels of qualification!


Its not about levels of qualification though.. its what Knowname said

Knowname wrote: a) turn into a ROAST or b) turn into what you get on youtube 'this video was cool!' I mean just look at our announcement threads?


The annoucement thread is already there for the "this is cool video", why not keep it there? Why do we have to bring it and post it all over our videos? Just find a way to make the annoucement thread more viewable for others, or just have playist in which you don't have to post all a million comments all over you know? Though if comments did come avaliable on videos I honestly would have it removed, or I would sit there and remove all comments ^^" because again if I wanted a "showcase of this is awesome" id go to youtube :3 but dunno just my opinion, I generally like things to be clean and organized (off topic) so it sort of follows me everything D:

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Kariudo wrote:
Post it wrote:..who has the right to strike-up a conversation with minors?..
.. is only a problem in Canada.
.. hmm, my bad - I thought it was a world wide issue; I stand corrected ^_^ -- THx


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