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Postby theswarm666x » Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:14 am

i am using VirtualDubMod and each episode is going to take like 9 hours. i am trying to make a really good quality rip "mftoon" is what's killing me. other than changing my script what would be the best way to speed this prosses up, if i upgrade my comp what would be the bast way?
would adding 1 more gig of memory speed this up segnifesently? (sorry for bad spelling)

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Postby Purge » Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:40 am

i doubt there would be any significant time saved. I would suggest you look into the bait and switch method.
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Re: how can i speed up the ripping prosses

Postby Willen » Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:28 am

theswarm666x wrote:i am using VirtualDubMod and each episode is going to take like 9 hours. i am trying to make a really good quality rip "mftoon" is what's killing me. other than changing my script what would be the best way to speed this prosses up, if i upgrade my comp what would be the bast way?
would adding 1 more gig of memory speed this up segnifesently? (sorry for bad spelling)

thank you.

I recommend making clips for editing instead of converting entire episodes, but if you've got the hard drive space...

I've found that instead of mftoon(), WarpSharp() in combination with FastLineDarken(strength=96, thinning=0) do a pretty good job and is much faster. You may have to change the strength=96 to your liking, the range is from 0 to 255.

As for computer upgrades, the only real noticable improvement will be with a faster CPU (especially a dual core one), unless you have a pitiful amount of RAM now (less than 256MB).

btw, what are your computer specs?
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Re: how can i speed up the ripping prosses

Postby Melanchthon » Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:53 pm

You could try editing with avs (if your program accepts it) or fake avi files (if your program won't accept avs files), commenting out mftoon and everything but the ivtc / deinterlace / deblend lines of the script until you're ready to create the video. That way, only the frames you're using will be rendered with the slow filters.

I don't know what version of mfToon you have, but the version that comes with the AMVApp is v0.52. That has mfToonLite, which the author says is for real-time viewing and not encoding. I think it looks fine, so check it out and see what you think. All you have to do is replace 'mftoon()' with 'mftoonlite()'.
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Re: how can i speed up the ripping prosses

Postby theswarm666x » Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:32 am

btw, what are your computer specs?


My Computer is:

Geforce 7600GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego 2000MHz HT Processor

1GB (2 x 512MB) memory

2 250GB Hard Drives

LITE-ON 16X DVD±R DVD Burner W/LightScribe and 5X DVD-RAM Write

(2.21 GH/z - 1.0 gig Ram) and i am running Windows xp home [/quote]
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Re: how can i speed up the ripping prosses

Postby Willen » Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:19 am

theswarm666x wrote:
btw, what are your computer specs?


My Computer is:

Geforce 7600GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego 2000MHz HT Processor

1GB (2 x 512MB) memory

2 250GB Hard Drives

LITE-ON 16X DVD±R DVD Burner W/LightScribe and 5X DVD-RAM Write

(2.21 GH/z - 1.0 gig Ram) and i am running Windows xp home

For your computer, I think the time is about correct with the amount of processing mftoon() does. For example, on my machine (A64 X2 dual core 3800+ 2.01GHz, 2GB of RAM) encoding a 30 minute episode in Lagarith takes less than 1 hour using WarpSharp() + FastLineDarken() (and Tdeint) at a 16.0 to 19.0 fps video rendering rate. Using mftoon() (and Tdeint), it crawls to a 2.0 - 3.0 fps video rendering rate. VDM is estimating 7 hours to encode. Using Huffyuv is slightly faster. Adding Deen("a3d",4) doubles the encode time.
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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:06 pm

If you have the harddrive space for that many trascoded eps, why not just add each episode to the batch mode and encode the whole thing over a period of a few days. You won't be able to use your system for a while, but it will all be done.

You can do the same thing with clipping. Actually set in and out points on the clip (repeat ### times) and add them to batch mode and do the batch clipping all at once while you're out / sleeping / etc.
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Re: how can i speed up the ripping prosses

Postby bum » Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:53 pm

Willen wrote:As for computer upgrades, the only real noticable improvement will be with a faster CPU (especially a dual core one), unless you have a pitiful amount of RAM now (less than 256MB).


Get 2 iRam cards, pack them with 16GB of ram each, RAID0 them, then try saying that the only worthwhile upgrade is a shinier cpu.... If you can still afford to use the internet.
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Postby DinaDani » Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:37 pm

Just cut out parts you need from each episode in VDub and encode that to huffyyuv with every filter enabled. Much faster and you won't use 95% of the episodes anyway.
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Re: how can i speed up the ripping prosses

Postby theswarm666x » Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:52 pm

ok, how about this.

my original script was

Telecide(order=1,guide=1)
Decimate(cycle=5, mode=2)
ConvertToYV12()
deen("a3d",4,7,12)
SDDeRainbow()
mftoon(strength=128)
Tweak(cont=1.0,sat=1.5,bright=0, hue=5)


and i am working on Azumanga Daioh.

what changes should i make?

i could make it

Telecide(order=1,guide=1)
Decimate(cycle=5, mode=2)
ConvertToYV12()
deen("a3d",4,7,12)
SDDeRainbow()
WarpSharp()
FastLineDarken(strength=96, thinning=0)
Tweak(cont=1.0,sat=1.5,bright=0, hue=5)



but it messes up the color on the opening. what could i do to fix this?
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Re: how can i speed up the ripping prosses

Postby theswarm666x » Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:56 pm

but it messes up the color on the opening. what could i do to fix this?


scratch that, i had a wrong line writen when i was saving it. the color is fine.

it goes at about 5-9 fps. could i make it faster some how (with the second script? do i have any unnessary lines?[/quote]
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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:34 pm

Honestly, if you had your computer running already doing this instead of waiting for a reply you'd be done by now. Suck it up and have it running while you're out.

For the video i'm working on now, i've had my system running for 10+ hours at least 10 times clipping, ripping image streams, building mosaics, etc. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do.
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Postby theswarm666x » Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:18 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:Honestly, if you had your computer running already doing this instead of waiting for a reply you'd be done by now. Suck it up and have it running while you're out.

For the video i'm working on now, i've had my system running for 10+ hours at least 10 times clipping, ripping image streams, building mosaics, etc. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do.



actually i am going to get it all out of the way and rip all 200 of my dvds(series and movies). if i am able to improve quality or speed it will save me alot of time and stress. i am going to back up the transfers so i don't need to worrie about all this when i get a new idea, just when i get another new animé.
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Postby Corran » Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:40 pm

SDDeRainbow is going to be slow no matter what. I'm not fond of Warpsharp because it can slightly distort things. MFtoon is out the window for me, too slow and doesn't look right imo...

Regardless here are my suggestions if editing with AVS files without really changing anything you have done so far.

Edit with:
Code: Select all
Telecide(order=1,guide=1)
Decimate(cycle=5, mode=2)
#deen("a3d",4,7,12)
#SDDeRainbow()
#WarpSharp()
#FastLineDarken(strength=96, thinning=0)
Tweak(cont=1.0,sat=1.5,bright=0, hue=5)


As long as it doesn't affect the framerate, resolution, etc you should comment it out with the # to speed up editing. Note I removed the colorspace change. Your DVDs should already already be in that colorspace.

Make your final render with:
Code: Select all
Telecide(order=1,guide=1)
Decimate(cycle=5, mode=2)
deen("a3d",4,7,12)
SDDeRainbow()
WarpSharp()
FastLineDarken(strength=96, thinning=0)
Tweak(cont=1.0,sat=1.5,bright=0, hue=5)
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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:50 pm

theswarm666x wrote:actually i am going to get it all out of the way and rip all 200 of my dvds(series and movies). if i am able to improve quality or speed it will save me alot of time and stress. i am going to back up the transfers so i don't need to worrie about all this when i get a new idea, just when i get another new animé.


You know you may need a diferent script for every series, right?

And, If you're going to rip and save and have the money for that much HDD space in the meantime, buy a computer dedicated to the task.

Just ripping and burning (with verification) that many DVDs worth of backup will take around 800 hours of constant work as it is - and that's with someone sitting there to switch DVDs up every few hours and change programs (I doubt you have the nessisary 10TB to save all this) from ripping to transcoding to burning, so the small amount of time you'd save transcoding would be a pittance.
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