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Postby KenShimazu » Thu Dec 05, 2002 3:51 am

i figured this was the closest on topic forum for my question.

I have a cable modem
I have a PC dubbing as the server for my internal network (the two network card thing...)
I'm next to computer illiterate, i can fix problems that pop up but teaching me myself something new is next to impossible these days for me.

I have 13 gigs on this PC which will be upgraded at some point

and i have a program called Apache which is supposed to allow me to use this PC as a HTTP server

this is where the problem occurs...
My internal network recognizes my Apache Server, i have a no-ip.com account which theoretically should work, and does considering that the internal network can connect to my pc when kat-translations.no-ip.com is typed into IE.

i had a few friends attempt to access my server through from their computer with no luck, i have NO clue what i am doing wrong, and the instructions from Apache homepage read like stereo instructions to me, meaning, me being the illiterate one have no clue what to do at this point.

advantages of helping me figure this out

free hosting, your own account and heck i'll toss in server space for ya (if i can EVER figure out how to configure this correctly)

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Postby klinky » Thu Dec 05, 2002 5:43 am

Okay well, Apache is a bitch to configured {shudder}.

My suggestions get OmniHttpD or GuildFTP.

Both are rather simple to setup.

As to why Apache is not working, my guess is that it's binding itself to your internet NIC and not your external one.

As for the cable/AMV distro thingy. I did that with DSL and it wasn't that great a solution. Anytime someone connected my intarweb experience went int the gutter. I had to shut my server down if I wanted to play a online game :\

I no longer run my server and my video aren't up anymore, they weren't that good anyways so it's not a big loss :p


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Postby klinky » Thu Dec 05, 2002 5:44 am

I meant, internal NIC, not internet NIC :roll:


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Postby gypsy » Thu Dec 05, 2002 7:23 am

I love the free hosting part but unfortunately I have NO knowledge on apache.

Hope you come right though.

Good luck.


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Postby trythil » Thu Dec 05, 2002 12:21 pm

What is the IP that Apache is binding itself to? What is the port?

What is your network topology like? (Do you have a router, firewall, or similar agent in between your computer and the Internet?)

Does your ISP prohibit you from establishing connections in a certain port range (usually any of the non-ephemeral ports 1-1023)?
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Postby KenShimazu » Sat Dec 07, 2002 1:09 pm

Basically this is the setup
a cablemodem, connected to a PC through a network card, a seperate network card connected to a hub - making the internal network for the other computers.

the network card connected to the modem is Internet Shared, so the other PC's and Laptops can connect to the net.

Apache (actually now OmniHttpd as suggested) is bound to the network card connected to the cable modem, i know this because the IP address set by my provider is the same... i can get the internal network to see the Homepage, just anyone else outside of this (meaning any of you guys) can't connect, even when using the IP Address..

I confused, i have no clue what to do to make this work....

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Postby NicholasDWolfwood » Sat Dec 07, 2002 1:43 pm

You have to open the ports up and forward the IP.

I have a Netgear RP114 router, and I had to do this. Basically, I set the router up to forward any incoming traffic on my IP to my internal IP, and then I opened the port the program(s) need/needed.
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Postby KenShimazu » Sat Dec 07, 2002 11:22 pm

being that i am a total moron when it comes to these things...how do i do that? (opening the port that is)
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Postby klinky » Sat Dec 07, 2002 11:38 pm

NickD, he doesn't need to open a port, since he's not using a router. He's setup probably using Network Adress Translation, something like Internet Connection Sharing.

I would try out something with a GUI :p like OmniHTTPd and see if you can get that up.

I am not sure as to why it would not work externally? Maybe your ISP blocks internal connection to port 80 ? You may try it on a differnt port maybe ^_^ ?


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Postby NicholasDWolfwood » Sun Dec 08, 2002 12:03 am

Whatever, he still have to forward the IP through NAT though.
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Postby klinky » Sun Dec 08, 2002 12:43 am

NicholasDWolfwood wrote:Whatever, he still have to forward the IP through NAT though.


Well no since he's running the server off of the computer running the NAT :O.

He has direct access to the internal and external NICs. If he was on one of the other computers on the network, then he would need to open some ports for them, but he is running Apache off his main server.

So no, he shouldn't have to open any ports.


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Postby trythil » Sun Dec 08, 2002 2:22 am

KenShimazu wrote:Basically this is the setup
a cablemodem, connected to a PC through a network card, a seperate network card connected to a hub - making the internal network for the other computers.

the network card connected to the modem is Internet Shared, so the other PC's and Laptops can connect to the net.

Apache (actually now OmniHttpd as suggested) is bound to the network card connected to the cable modem, i know this because the IP address set by my provider is the same... i can get the internal network to see the Homepage, just anyone else outside of this (meaning any of you guys) can't connect, even when using the IP Address..

I confused, i have no clue what to do to make this work....

Ken


I assume that by "bound to the network card connected to the cable modem" that the IP that the daemon is bound to is the IP assigned to you by your ISP, so you don't have to do any NAT setup.

Given the situation, then, it sounds like your ISP is blocking incoming non-established traffic for your IP. There's no way (that I know of, anyway) to get around that.

It's like this: there are certain flags that can be set on TCP segments. One of them, the SYN flag, is set whenever a new connection is being established. A packet filter can be easily configured to block any incoming TCP traffic with the SYN flag set, which effectively disables anybody from running a server within the filtered network. This may not be what is actually going on -- there might be some weirdness within your internal network -- but given what you've written, this, to me, sounds like the most likely case.

You might want to try a different port -- it's possible that your ISP may only be filtering on a certain port range, most likely 1-1023 and a few others, like 8080 (common HTTP proxy).
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Postby trythil » Sun Dec 08, 2002 2:24 am

One other thing you can try (and this just occurred to me):

What OS are you running?

If you are running Windows XP you might have XP's firewall enabled, which may be blocking any external connections to your machine on port 80. Try turning that off first before you start messing with ports.
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Postby KenShimazu » Mon Dec 09, 2002 3:07 pm

I'm running windows 2000...

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