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What kind of video editor do you recommend?

Postby hansonanime » Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:16 pm

I'm using windows mavie maker right now and I want to upgrade. Is there a video editor that's free that can help me make good AMV's?
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Postby JaddziaDax » Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:35 pm

Premeire and Vegas both have Trials... you can look into downloading a free trial.... but they are limited to an ammount of time, but if youre seriously looking ot upgrade then you might have to end up paying for something O.o

Magix is probably the best for the price...
both Vegas and Premeire have cheap versions of their software so they might be something to look into...

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Re: What kind of video editor do you recommend?

Postby requiett » Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:43 am

hansonanime wrote:I'm using windows mavie maker right now and I want to upgrade. Is there a video editor that's free that can help me make good AMV's?

There's no such thing as an upgrade from Windows Movie Maker. You're working with the pinnacle of media software.
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Re: What kind of video editor do you recommend?

Postby bum » Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:39 am

hansonanime wrote:I'm using windows mavie maker right now and I want to upgrade. Is there a video editor that's free that can help me make good AMV's?


No. The only thing that can help you is more practising and more editing. Only a bad carpenter blames his tools.
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Postby shiro_clanclan » Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:53 am

Not true.

Through trial, error, trial and success I've been able to circumvent every piece of poor programming in Windows Movie Maker... except one.

That one is a memory hole in the way the program buffers resources in preparation for WMV encoding. It is not efficient, so if you have lots of clip calls and/or effects, it'll begin the buffer process... then stop with an error saying you're out of disc space, when you aren't. Looking this up in Movie Maker forums confirms that this is a bug.

Only way around it is to split your project in half and work on it like that... which, frankly, is a pain in the ass.

I won't say that it's crap--having used both it and iMovie, I found WMM to be a hell of a lot easier and more forgiving. However, I would never, ever venture to say it was on the same level as Adobe Premiere/AE/PS.

Besides, there's a lot of basic stuff that you can only partially emulate in WMM. For instance, multiple-layer effects. You can create a filter which displays both frames at the same opacity without a fade time, but the program itself will not allow you to put the frames directly on top of one another--you'll always have something trailing. You can see this in my "Ippo Likes to Move It" AMV in the scenes with the beach babes playing volleyball--though in that instance, it just happened to work out okay because I didn't need something precise.

In short, I think the people who scoff at Movie Maker and say it's worthless and never to use it to make an AMV have no idea what they're talking about. They're looking at it without thinking about what can be done rather simply to make it work--create a WMV9 profile for high-output export, use VirtualDub for clip creation, etc. It is most definitely not a worthless program.

But I fully understand the desire to upgrade to something else. In that instance, I'm afraid one will have to pay for something... Vegas and Premiere are very good options. But they're also expensive as heck.

Good luck in your quest.

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Re: What kind of video editor do you recommend?

Postby AMV_4000 » Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:56 am

bum wrote:
hansonanime wrote:I'm using windows mavie maker right now and I want to upgrade. Is there a video editor that's free that can help me make good AMV's?


No. The only thing that can help you is more practising and more editing. Only a bad carpenter blames his tools.


well if your trying to carve a wooden statue and all you have is a pointy rock.. then yeah, i think it might be a good time to blame your tools... as for the topic, this comes up atleast once a month, prollly more... and they get the same answer...

WMM - pointy rock
Premiere, Vegas, Ulead Media Studio, Magix, After Effects, and others - decent carpenters tools..
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Postby TaranT » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:03 pm

shiro_clanclan wrote:... Vegas and Premiere are very good options. But they're also expensive as heck.

JaddziaDax wrote:both Vegas and Premeire have cheap versions of their software so they might be something to look into...
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Postby trythil » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:09 pm

shiro_clanclan wrote:Not true.

Through trial, error, trial and success I've been able to circumvent every piece of poor programming in Windows Movie Maker... except one.


+1 to free and open source software!



(yeah, I've actually had and taken several opportunities to fix showstopper bugs in the software I use. It's really quite an empowering feeling, as opposed to the dominatrix-dominatee relationship that proprietary software companies force you into.)
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Postby JaddziaDax » Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:55 pm

shiro_clanclan wrote:In short, I think the people who scoff at Movie Maker and say it's worthless and never to use it to make an AMV have no idea what they're talking about.



what if you HAVE used it to make an AMV and still Scoff at it?

my first 5 were WMM vids... i hate that program with a passion... I still recommend it to newbs wanting to try out AMVs though cause its free and most of them have it already.
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Postby shiro_clanclan » Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:45 pm

I, too, use it and have done so for all the "new" AMVs I've done, from Ippo onward. And I, too, suggest that people use it. It is out of this which brings the comment, "Don't look upon it as utter crap and tell people you can't make good AMVs with it."

However, having used it, I also see where my concepts are exceeding WMM's abilities. And it is at this point I understand the, "Help, I need to upgrade from WMM."

I guess what I really meant is... it's not a bad program for a free video editing suite, and it can be used effectively for AMV creation. But if you use it, exceed its abilities and look to stretch your wings... then by all means, toss it to the wind.
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Postby Lyrs » Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:48 pm

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Postby Dark_Yanus » Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:51 am

Well i use Vegas and is very good , but Premier is good too.
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Postby Jayn_Newell » Mon Jul 03, 2006 6:47 am

JaddziaDax wrote:my first 5 were WMM vids... i hate that program with a passion... I still recommend it to newbs wanting to try out AMVs though cause its free and most of them have it already.


I have to fully agree with this. WMM is workable--but limited and a PITA to work with. I've been trying out Vegas Movie Studio (the cheap version of Vegas) and I will be buying it soon--beyond the extra capabilities it has, the editing style makes it easier to work with, and I don't have to worry about the random bugs I've found working with WMM.

WMM isn't a bad place to start, it's easy to use and free. But I got frustrated with it, and swore I would either upgrade or never edit again. And the latter isn't an option.
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Postby 7Polonium » Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:19 pm

I know it's probobly not in good taste to ask a question in someone elses thread, but it's in the same topic so I guess I'll give it a shot:


I'm pretty new to AMVs. I've helped a friend make some of his first few, but that's about it. Aside from reading a few guides on this subject I know very little. I've got WMV on my computer - although it's the grey version (you know, the older one). I have tried a lot to upgrade however I think that there is something amiss in my Windows software so I can't upgrade to 2.2 (the blue version).

The older version seems pretty outdated if we're talking about quality and effects. Due to this inconvinience, I've been considering starting out with a program like Magix because of its price. I also, however, realize that since I have little hands-on experience with making AMVs, my "education" being based on guides ("There is no substitute for experience).

So. My question is this: What are the advantages/disadvantages with starting with a program like Magix (ie. experience-wise), and are there any other programs you would reccommend aside from Magix to use. Keep in mind that I am technically still a n00b when it comes to AMV-ing and I'm only 14 so I can't afford any of the better programs
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Postby Melanchthon » Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:57 pm

7Polonium wrote:So. My question is this: What are the advantages/disadvantages with starting with a program like Magix (ie. experience-wise), and are there any other programs you would reccommend aside from Magix to use.


I started out with Magix MEP 2004, and it's pretty easy to work with (get used to using the keyboard though, as the good stuff is buried in the menus). The layout is similar to WMM2's except for the number of tracks, so at a very basic, drag-and-drop-and-cut level of editing, it's a lot like WMM2. You get more tracks, the ability to edit frame-by-frame, and you don't have to place your clips in chronological order.

I did try using WMM2, but the part of the vid I worked on first demanded transparancies that were fast and had to be placed accurately. It could have been done, but not at my then-current level of experience (about a day). WMM2 is best left to the experts. :lol:

MEP2004 is dirt-cheap if you can find it, and you could probably get one of the latest versions for less than $50.
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