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Having problems with Windows Movie Maker :(

Postby Admiral_Jomalson » Sat Nov 30, 2002 9:06 pm

Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone knew how to solve a problem I keep having with WMM. I've checked this forum over a few times and found no solutions so here I am :P

The problem is that whenever I go to save a movie, the program attempts to save it and then freezes. I have no idea what is going on. Some help would be appreciated. Thank you. :)
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Postby FirestormXIII » Sat Nov 30, 2002 11:31 pm

Hmmm, are you using DivX clips in your video? If so that may be your problem. Unbeknownst to most people, WMM hates DivX as much as Premiere does, and it'll crash/freeze up the program/system quick if you do something it doesn't like.

That's the only thing off the top of my head that I can think of as being the problem.
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Postby Admiral_Jomalson » Sat Nov 30, 2002 11:36 pm

Hmm.. you'll have to excuse my newbieness for the time being... what is a DivX clip? (Avi? Mpeg?)
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Postby klinky » Sat Nov 30, 2002 11:48 pm

Admiral_Jomalson wrote:Hmm.. you'll have to excuse my newbieness for the time being... what is a DivX clip? (Avi? Mpeg?)


DivX is a codec, AVI is a container format.

Audio Video Interleve.

You can have all sorts of different video or audio streams. The codec defines what that data is and the AVI spec, defines how it's stored.

So DivX would be a AVI, but AVI is not a actual format, it just contains video/audio "streams".

Other popular codecs for are CinePack, Indeo, XviD, DivX4/5...

Check out the link to the guides below my sig there for more information.


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Postby Admiral_Jomalson » Sun Dec 01, 2002 3:49 pm

thanks alot! ;) Outta curiousity, any idea why WMM doesn't like the clips I use? When I try to edit with the clips I recently made from my DVD they are all choppy.... they skip kinda, and pause. Its a pain to edit with them cause I cant tell where they really mesh. This never happened when I used other clips from online.
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Postby klinky » Sun Dec 01, 2002 4:58 pm

clips you made with a DVD?

It really doesn't matter where they came from(well maybe a little). It matters more what format they're in now. They obviously are no longer MPEG2 format :p

What codec are they in currently ?


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Postby Admiral_Jomalson » Sun Dec 01, 2002 5:19 pm

The clips are in Avi format but I don't know the codec... I made them with Virtual Dub if that helps any :S (anyway I could tell?)
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Postby mexicanjunior » Sun Dec 01, 2002 6:01 pm

Admiral_Jomalson wrote:The clips are in Avi format but I don't know the codec... I made them with Virtual Dub if that helps any :S (anyway I could tell?)


As stated earlier, WMM hates anything not MPEG or WMV encoded. I'm not sure why Divx is so bad for editing but it tends to crash whatever program tries to slice it up. Check the clip properties to find out what kind of codec you are using, your best bet is trying Huffy or Mjpeg if you are using DVD source.
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Postby klinky » Sun Dec 01, 2002 7:09 pm

VirtualDub default export is uncompressed, so they must be god aweful big. :shock:

Do what MJ says, since he teh l33t on the WMM magic!

DivX isn't good for editing, because most of the frames are based off of the previous frame, it just builds off the last frame. Every once and awhile, you have keyframe that shows up, which is a whole frame. Then say the next 10 20 frames just store what changed since the keyframe, until another keyframe comes up.

If you want to access a frame, it must first goto the keyframe, then decode all the frames after that so it can build the proper frame from the previous ones.

That's covered in the guides ^_^

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Postby Admiral_Jomalson » Sun Dec 01, 2002 9:24 pm

Ok, I've checked the clip properties but it wont tell me anything about em... just when they were made what they open with ect.

I've heard of Mjpeg and Huffy, but being a newbie I'm still a tad lost. Are they codecs or file types?... programs? :? I'm reaaaly sorry If I'm wasting anyones time :P I truly appreciate the help though. Alot of the technical terms lose me.
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Postby NicholasDWolfwood » Sun Dec 01, 2002 9:42 pm

Like klinky said, Premiere crashing with DivX isn't a problem (There's ways around that, see the bottom of this post). The problem are the frames.

The way around DivX crashing in Premiere is to use AVISynth with AVISource. I'm doing that for this DBZ video (All footage except 3 OGM eps in DivX 5, so I have to use AVISynth or have 5GB HuffYUVs sitting on my HD)

It works fine. Best thing is that I can also manipulate the framerate and stuff of my files with AVISynth while working in Premiere, haha. :)
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Postby FirestormXIII » Sun Dec 01, 2002 11:59 pm

*pssst* Hey Jason, he's having problems in WMM :)


WMM doesn't let you do l33t stuff like use AVIsynth, unfortunately, otherwise MJ'd probably still be using it :O
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Postby klinky » Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:21 am

Admiral_Jomalson wrote:I've heard of Mjpeg and Huffy, but being a newbie I'm still a tad lost


klinky wrote:Check out the link to the guides below my sig there for more information.

klinky wrote:That's covered in the guides ^_^


PLEASE READ THE GUIDES IF YOU'RE STILL CONFUSED.

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/


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Postby Admiral_Jomalson » Mon Dec 02, 2002 7:12 pm

Ok, I've gone over the guides again, and I can't figure out the problems or how to fix em. Also, though I know that Huffy and Mjpeg are codecs, I still don't see how I can figure out what codec my files are in. Once I do figure that out, how do I switch codecs? I didn't see that covered in the guides.... I'll most likely be getting Premiere over the course of the holidays. Maybe I should just hold off until then.
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