Codec Woes For 56K Transfer

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Codec Woes For 56K Transfer

Postby Telstarin » Sat Nov 16, 2002 1:46 pm

Ok, well, from reading threads here, I've discovered that RM is seen as the spawn of satan in this forum....however, I do not wish to debate that here. My problem is I need a different codec to use which will compress while still retaining most of the quality.

My problem is, as the topic suggests, file size. On my 56K connection (I would have broadband if they supplied it where I lived, so don't suggest upgrading to broadband ;)) I cannot transfer large files over the internet, by large files I mean files over the 20Mb mark. I have always used Realmedia in the past, as it compresses a 3:30 AMV into around 10Mb, however, if I want to get an opinion on my AMVs, I need to use a different codec so you guys will actually consider downloading it...

So my question....is there another codec which can compress 3:30 to around 10Mb, like realmedia, which isn't considered the spawn of satan? If so, please point me in its direction. In another unrelated thread, someone suggested Xvid...in testing Xvid produced a 60Mb file -_- Maybe I'm using it wrong *shrug* I used default values.

Anyway, any help at all would be mucho appreciated. And I read the guide on this site regarding codecs....didn't help me in this department, I didn't see anywhere where it rated the compression capabilities of each codec, just the quality...
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Postby Telstarin » Sat Nov 16, 2002 1:51 pm

Also, in addition, I just tested HuffYUV, and the file came out at over 500Mb 0.0!!!
Surely I must have done something wrong in the export options of premiere 6 *shrug* I used default values again, though.

The search for a good quality, high compression, non realmedia codec continues -_-
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Sat Nov 16, 2002 2:25 pm

Realmedia isn't considered the spawn of satan and whoever says that is a moron. Feel free to use it, I do for my amvs. If you still dont want to use it, wait until real's codecs are available for use in avis (probably about a month), then you can just lie and say its xvid ;]

You're looking at a bitrate of about 400 kbps for a 3:30 amv to be 10MB. In this case Real is really the only way to go. The only other option is to use XviD and vorbis but most people arent going to be able to playback the file. You could use mp3, but at the lowest tolerable quality the video bitrate would be somewhere around 260 kbps. With vorbis at least your video would have around 300. Even then, at 320x240, XviD really wont fare all that well.
All in all you're much better just using Real where you can lower the audio bitrate to 48 and give the video 350kbps and get decent quality. Either that or filter the hell out of it and use XviD and vorbis.
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Postby RichLather » Sat Nov 16, 2002 5:23 pm

WMV is also pretty good for high compression and low file sizes--just make sure your source materials are high-quality.
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Postby Telstarin » Sat Nov 16, 2002 7:40 pm

WMV huh? I'm guessing I can't encode to WMV straight from Premiere export as I don't see it on the list of codecs and I must have it installed since I can play WMV files...

So how do I encode into WMV? Is there a way to get it on the Premiere codec export list?
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Sat Nov 16, 2002 9:33 pm

No. I'd have mentioned WMV if I had thought that the response or results would be any better than RM. WMV is just as looked down upon as RM in the real video world but won't achieve the same quality. The only reason anyone would prefer wmv over real is because it can be played back by direcshow but like i said, real is doing that too soon.
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Sat Nov 16, 2002 9:34 pm

alright, so wmv9 isnt that bad if you're desparate. But I still highly reccomend real or at least xvid over it :?
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Postby Telstarin » Sat Nov 16, 2002 9:54 pm

Well, in any case, I'd like to try it out even though it may not do as well as realplayer. So, could ya tell me how to export into wmv from premiere or convert a 1.9 Gig uncompressed AMV AVI into WMV? :D
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Sat Nov 16, 2002 10:04 pm

yeah, go to www.windowsmedia.com and download the encoder :/
unless you dont have XP in which case you have to download nic's wm9 encoder which is on doom9 and I dont feel like finding it right now ~_~
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Postby Telstarin » Sat Nov 16, 2002 11:21 pm

Its ok, I found it well enough. Just downloading the codecs and stuff now, and I'll let ya know how the final file turns out.
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Postby Telstarin » Sun Nov 17, 2002 1:07 am

Well, I used WMV codec 8 and made a WMV, the quality is fine, and it is just over 1Mb bigger size than the .rm file. However, the transitions and transparences are a bit pixelated, yet not too bad. I guess its the best I'm gonna get from WMV, unless codec 9 is alot better?
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Sun Nov 17, 2002 2:30 pm

yeah, alot better. WMV8 is crap.
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Postby projecto2501 » Mon Nov 18, 2002 10:47 pm

You can get a DviX 5.0.2 encode of a 3:30 AMV under 20 Mb with out it looking like crap. Make sure to resize the vid to 352X240 and encode little fragments at diffrent bit rates to find the one that will give you 20Mb. Also look at using filters. The smoother and sharpner filters mentioned in the guides can greatly enhance the final quality (and lower the file size) of an encode. Again encode little fragments to get an idea which parameters work best. Also, to get the smallest file size you MUST use two-pass encoding.

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Postby NicholasDWolfwood » Mon Nov 18, 2002 10:51 pm

DivX 4+ is crap for encoding. I'd say the only time it isn't is when it'd encoded in XviD but can be played back under DivX 4/5+ because of a FourCC change.
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Postby Eek-1 » Tue Nov 19, 2002 4:55 am

Who sez wmv8 was crap?! I once made a few wmv8 at 6-12MB many ppl said the video looked very good & smooth. At that time I couldn't afford extra webspace.
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