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Avalon in Premiere

Postby Wyverex » Mon Jul 08, 2002 5:46 am

For those who have seen Avalon : is there any effect in Premiere which makes something like that halo present during the whole film (except in the real part)?

It's like a radial blur except that it detects edges and blur them from inside.

For the moment I use "solarize" effect but it only works on lighted sequences (dark one become too constrasted).
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Postby Wyverex » Mon Jul 08, 2002 4:20 pm

I found something that looks like what I want (if this can help you to understand) :

a Faye Valentine pic

As you see the edges are blurred to the outside...
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Mon Jul 08, 2002 4:34 pm

Oh right...

Now I see (sorry, haven't seen Avalon, not being a big Oshi fan).

Well, the faye image looks mainly like a lens flare (premiere plugin, under video/render filters).

Use very lightly if you dont want your video to look cheap.
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Postby Wyverex » Mon Jul 08, 2002 5:44 pm

I wasn't talking about the lensflare effect (I didn't even see there was one ^_^)...

I managed to do something exactly like I want but... in Photoshop. I don't really want to add the effect frame by frame...

Here's what I want (but in Premiere...)

before
after

Maybe I can link Premiere and Photoshop since it's both Adobe soft?

The effect in Photoshop is called "diffuse glow".
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Postby jbone » Mon Jul 08, 2002 6:04 pm

Yes, you can import images from Photoshop into Premiere. However, you can't use Photoshop plugins in Premiere.
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Postby Wyverex » Mon Jul 08, 2002 6:21 pm

Sob... I was hoping a link that would make Photoshop modify every frames from Premiere, like the frameserver.

My pic looks like I used a brightness setting but it's not : her red hair aren't more or less red on the second pic.
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Postby bedlam » Mon Jul 08, 2002 7:02 pm

You can use many Photoshop filters in After Effects, just copy the filter into the After Effects filters directory. What you can't do is keyframe photoshop effect parameters in After Effects.

If you don't have After Effects, you're probably going to have to bite the bullet and buy an appropriate filter for Premiere. I'm not to up to speed on what filters are available for Premiere, as I only use it for editing.

You might want to lurk around the Premiere board at www.creativecow.net and ask for a filter that delievers the desired results.
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Postby klinky » Mon Jul 08, 2002 7:47 pm

I got these results just using Premiere:

This one uses a gradient mask made in photoshop for the darkened corners effect:
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Without the mask:
Image


Here's the mask:
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These were both done really easily with the Brightness & Contrast effect under Adjust. I upped brightness to 51, contrast remained the same. I also added a Fast Blur to make it a little softer, you can remove it all together or make it lighter.

Hopefully that helps. Iam thinking about looking into writing a program that would allow someone to process a video file with Filter Factory filters applied to it. It'd be complex tho and Iam lazy :p



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Postby jescaflowne » Tue Jul 09, 2002 11:40 pm

You could just output the footage as a bitmap sequence. Save it in a folder of it's own so you'll have all the numbered still frames together. Record the action you want to do in Photoshop. Then do File - Automate - Batch and run the action on every file in your folder with the numbered stills.

Then reassemle the stills in premiere using File - Open - Click on the first image in the sequence - check the box "Numbered Stills"

That's the easiest way I can think to do it.
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Postby zalas » Wed Jul 10, 2002 9:51 am

Have you tried layering one vid on top of the other additively? Make the top vid have a luminance mask or something and then blur it?
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Postby mckeed » Wed Jul 10, 2002 3:09 pm

I think what he is trying to do is what is called with photgraphs as a softfocus effect. I saw this done to pictures of ugly ppls senior photos who want to seem better looking as it softens up all those harsh line....Just a verry slight blur should do it, though i don't have premire around me to try it.
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Postby mckeed » Wed Jul 10, 2002 3:10 pm

oh yeah....i forgot....if you jsut want to limit it to the person and leave the rest alone, just just a image mask like what was explained with the gradient to limit the effect to just the person you want to be slightly out of focus.
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Postby Wyverex » Thu Jul 11, 2002 7:08 am

K thanks all I managed to do something which looks like what I wanted.

I layered one clip on the other, add radial blur (zoom - 30%) to each and add 10% gaussian blur and 100/20 brightness/contrast to the top vid. Then I set a luminance transparency (100 - 50) and there it is.

Premiere takes 3 sec to render a single frame. ^_^

Anyway I think the bitmap sequence tip would be perfect but i didn't see a "import/bitmap sequence" command in Premiere so my clip will be cut in hundreds of 1 frame BMP file... Can I tell Premiere to join all the pics together?
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Thu Jul 11, 2002 7:10 am

Also, you might want to try out a filter called "echo" under the time section.

It can do a similar effect to what you are after - althought the gaussian works too (despite being *damn* slow).
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Postby Wyverex » Thu Jul 11, 2002 4:53 pm

Echo is like ghosting (except that it doesn't detect edges, just layer more clips) and even with the echo time set to 0 it's just a brightness/contrast setting...

Is there any way to join pics together?
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