a music video maker

navs92 · Post by **navs92** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:24 pm

since i have a short attention span i am not gonna be bother to read that and i know my spelling and grammar [Request Removed] and i am sorry for my crappy spelling and grammar.

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mantlepicture · Post by **mantlepicture** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:13 pm

navs92 wrote:since i have a short attention span i am not gonna be bother to read that and i know my spelling and grammar [Request Removed] and i am sorry for my crappy spelling and grammar.

1.) If you have a short attention span, editing is not for you.

2.) Asking for anime is against the rules:

"7. There shall be no posts containing or on how to obtain warez, crackz, serialz, emulators, porn/hentai, bootlegs, or illegally obtain downloadable anime episodes, music, or any other sort of copyrighted material. You will be banned without warning for such posts."

navs92 · Post by **navs92** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:05 am

okey dokey

bum · Post by **bum** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 2:26 pm

mantlepicture wrote: So great, that no other programs touch it. It is, quite simply, the best editing program out there. And that's were the problem lies. A 12 year old used to WMM would never know where to start(unless you are comfortable with the keyboard commands, Avid will be a painful experience).

Could you please kindly remove your toung out of avid's ass? Your sounding like some guy who came along ages ago, pimping some video tutorials on sale by avid. Then it was revealed that he worked for avid, so he got banned. Saying that avid is so great that nothing can touch it is stupid. I doubt that, saying that, you've had much, if any experience with other high end NLE's. Saying that Avid is reliant on keyboard commands also disproves your comment. A powerfull NLE is one which is simple to use while allowing the editor to do complex things without a great deal of effort. And dont start craping on about WMM for whatever reason. An editors skills have nothing to do with what NLE they use. Their are people here who could make an amv with WMM which will blow away anything you could do with Avid.

navs92 · Post by **navs92** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 2:43 pm

lol yeh but i simply want to know a good free music video player cos all the ones i tried hardly support the files i use and i can't find a good converter and if this is against the rules i am sorry i would like to know what to do with a dvd ripping cos i have ripped it but i don't know what to do know can u help me

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 3:03 pm

navs92 wrote:and i can't find a good converter

http://www.eo-video.com
http://virtualdubmod.sourceforge.net

navs92 wrote:i would like to know what to do with a dvd ripping cos i have ripped it but i don't know what to do know can u help me

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/ ... getb1.html

navs92 · Post by **navs92** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 3:29 pm

thank u very very much

mantlepicture · Post by **mantlepicture** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:23 pm

bum wrote: Could you please kindly remove your toung out of avid's ass? Your sounding like some guy who came along ages ago, pimping some video tutorials on sale by avid. Then it was revealed that he worked for avid, so he got banned. Saying that avid is so great that nothing can touch it is stupid. I doubt that, saying that, you've had much, if any experience with other high end NLE's. Saying that Avid is reliant on keyboard commands also disproves your comment. A powerfull NLE is one which is simple to use while allowing the editor to do complex things without a great deal of effort. And dont start craping on about WMM for whatever reason. An editors skills have nothing to do with what NLE they use. Their are people here who could make an amv with WMM which will blow away anything you could do with Avid.

It's because I HAVE used many NLE programs that I love Avid. But, to be fair, Final Cut Pro is up there as well. I prefer Avid, but Final Cut can do almost everything Avid can do, and even some it cannot(such as apply motion effects to audio and video; Avid just does it to the video, and you have to use the audio tool to mimic it on the audio).

And many programs have simple-to-use functions, but how many of them make your keyboard totally mappable, as well as buttons on the screen? How many of them let you change your workstation(say, from effects to audio editing) with the touch of a key? And how many let you completely customize each work station? How many programs allow you to group three media clips together and watch through them simultaneously(this makes looking for a clip much easier, especially for non-AMV stuff, such as real music videos)?

Sure, a person on WMM could make an amazing video. Give me two VTRs and I could make a great looking video without touching a computer(though linear-editing is an evil I will never go back to). But if that same person had Final Cut Pro or Avid, they would have a lot more room for creativity. Until WMM gets at least a trim tool, it will be nothing more than a novelty.

Also, when I recommeded Avid, that is only if you want top of the line. If you like Premeire, definitely use it. You should try out all software before you buy it anyway. Anyone who reads one of these comments and says "okay, I will spend several hundred dollars because this random person said to buy this product" should be shot.

Use what suits you best.

Anyway, I have a feeling this is going to turn into a flame war, so with the interest of keeping this thread spam-free, I say we agree to disagree.

bum · Post by **bum** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:53 pm

mantlepicture wrote:And many programs have simple-to-use functions, but how many of them make your keyboard totally mappable, as well as buttons on the screen? How many of them let you change your workstation(say, from effects to audio editing) with the touch of a key? And how many let you completely customize each work station? How many programs allow you to group three media clips together and watch through them simultaneously(this makes looking for a clip much easier, especially for non-AMV stuff, such as real music videos)?

I dont see why making the keyboard mappable is such a big deal. Vegas has just about every function mapped to a key, yet I dont bother using it because its much easier using a mouse. A keyboard may be faster, but editing is something you generaly want to do while in a relaxed state. using a mouse makes things more relaxed, due to the slower movements when using a mouse. With vegas, theirs no need to change the workstation from audio to video with the touch of a key. Everything is right thier, integrated neatly into one completely customisable workstation. Thankfully the default layout is good enough as I've never had any need to customise it. Watching 3 clips togeather? That's just stupid. You'l only be able to concentrate on one at a time and will most likely miss the scene your trying to find. It's also slow and tedios, as its much easier to manualy fast forward with a media player or vdub. Or just drag the cursor timeline through vegas and watch the preview window.

Sure, a person on WMM could make an amazing video. Give me two VTRs and I could make a great looking video without touching a computer(though linear-editing is an evil I will never go back to). But if that same person had Final Cut Pro or Avid, they would have a lot more room for creativity. Until WMM gets at least a trim tool, it will be nothing more than a novelty.

Kinda contradicted yourself thier didnt you? Oh and you also proved you dont know what your on about. WMM has has a trim tool since version 1.

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:06 pm

bum wrote:
mantlepicture wrote:And many programs have simple-to-use functions, but how many of them make your keyboard totally mappable, as well as buttons on the screen? How many of them let you change your workstation(say, from effects to audio editing) with the touch of a key? And how many let you completely customize each work station? How many programs allow you to group three media clips together and watch through them simultaneously(this makes looking for a clip much easier, especially for non-AMV stuff, such as real music videos)?
I dont see why making the keyboard mappable is such a big deal. Vegas has just about every function mapped to a key, yet I dont bother using it because its much easier using a mouse. A keyboard may be faster, but <b>editing is something you generaly want to do while in a relaxed state.</b> using a mouse makes things more relaxed, due to the slower movements when using a mouse.

I think this is the core of the problem right here.

I'm getting the distinct impression that mantlepicture is mostly talking about editing from a professional standpoint (note emphasis on speed and efficiency in the editing process, among other things), while bum and the others who have been responding are mostly talking about it from a hobby standpoint, and the statement I bolded shows up the difference pretty clearly (I'm sure that relaxing while editing is not a very good way to meet a deadline).

And the discrepancy is resulting in confusion and other bad stuff.

So can we please just give it a rest?