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lag in premere

Postby Koishii » Sun Sep 15, 2002 6:09 pm

maybe I'm just crazy I don't know.. I'm running the following:
  • Adobe Premere 6
  • Windows xp
  • Geforce 4 4200 with 64 megs of DDR RAM
  • 512 megs of DDR ram on the motherboard
  • 1.3 gig Athalon chip
  • 40 gig IDE hard drive that accesses at 7200 rpm this drive has a 10 gig partition dedicated to this project alone. it contains the full movie I'm working with only.


For some reason with this set up I can't seem to go frame by frame in adobe it keeps shuddering between one or two frames when I try. yet the position of the film really has moved, which can be proven by pressing play. There is also a delay when trying to move the marker through the edited content as we as a brief delay changing scenes. this is very fustrating and making video editing extremely difficult. Any help anyone could offer would be greatly appreciated.
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Postby klinky » Sun Sep 15, 2002 6:58 pm

What codec is your source from?
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hmm point

Postby Koishii » Mon Sep 16, 2002 3:26 pm

ha the one thing I forgot to mention ^^

I'm using an mpeg so I'm using divix. maybe I just need a better codec?
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Re: hmm point

Postby ErMaC » Mon Sep 16, 2002 4:01 pm

Koishii wrote:I'm using an mpeg so I'm using divix.



MPEG and DivX are two totally different things. I think you should read the video guides (in my sig) before asking any more questions.
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Re: hmm point

Postby Koishii » Mon Sep 16, 2002 9:09 pm

ErMaC wrote:MPEG and DivX are two totally different things. I think you should read the video guides (in my sig) before asking any more questions.


Taken from: http://www.divx.com/support/faq.php

Q: What is DivX™?
A: DivX™ is the brand name for the patent-pending, premium-quality, MPEG-4 video compression technology developed by DivXNetworks, Inc.. It allows you to create and watch videos with very high visual quality and relatively low file sizes. DivX™ makes it possible, for the first time, to effectively move high-quality video files over the Internet.

please read the divx website before trying to help ErMac, I know MPEG is a codec which Divx supports. Can you help me? or do you only have a readme?
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Postby segaismysavior » Mon Sep 16, 2002 9:26 pm

You're speaking into a brickwall with that crap.

DivX is based on MPEG technology, but it is not the same format as traditional MPEG. They are VERY different. If anybody knows it, Ermac does.

So you just treated the wisest of AMV sages like a n00b. For real, read his guides.

And yes use a different codec. Why? Read his guides.

I'm not being an ass, just trust them and even lil old me on this one.
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Postby Koishii » Mon Sep 16, 2002 9:31 pm

and all this could have been avoided if someone would have only said "use a different codec"....


respect is a two way street.


I appologize if I talked to him like he was a noob.. but he could have been nicer to me.
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Re: ....

Postby jbone » Mon Sep 16, 2002 9:44 pm

Koishii wrote:respect is a two way street.

And stupidity is a one-way sign on that same street.
"If someone feels the need to 'express' himself or herself with a huge graphical 'singature' that has nothing to do with anything, that person should reevaluate his or her reasons for needing said form of expression, possibly with the help of a licensed mental health practitioner."
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Postby ErMaC » Mon Sep 16, 2002 9:58 pm

Alright, despite the fact that I could do my usual スーパー・フレーム・バスタ・スイチ・オン! routine I won't and just try to be civil.

I was suggesting you read the guides because you obviously did not grasp the differences involved, and were apparently using DivX as your editing codec which is a big no-no.

MPEG itself is a standards comittee (the Motion Picture Experts Group). They define various standards including those surrounding video and audio compression as well as containers for streams encoded using their and other methods.

If you are "using an MPEG" that means you are using a file that's encoded in a standard MPEG container, i.e. a .mpg, .mpeg, .vob, .mp4, etc file. DivX files are encoded using .AVI as their transport by default (and I took a really wild guess and figured you did not encode the .mp4's for editing with since, well, you can't currently). Therefore, you saying "I'm using an mpeg so I'm using divix." - even excusing the typo - makes no sense.

DivX is an implementation of an MPEG4 video codec (albeit a grossly incomplete one) that can be used in an AVI file format. It is shit for editing with. It throws away 1/4 of the chroma data, it uses heavy interframe compression, and it's buggy to work with in Premiere and other editing programs.

Regardless of whether you knew what you were talking about, you should not be editing in MPEG or DivX. They're meant to be distribution codecs, not editing codecs.

And please don't patronize me by posting PR hype out of a company's "FAQ". Otherwise I will be forced to spit information comparing Quantizer matrices at you until your head explodes.

In conclusion, I repeat - I suggest you read the guides in my sig before continuing because it is OBVIOUS you do not know what you are talking about.
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Postby FurryCurry » Mon Sep 16, 2002 10:31 pm

n00B gets pwned. Film at 11 :lol:

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Postby ErMaC » Mon Sep 16, 2002 10:54 pm

I could watch that for hours.
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Postby Koishii » Tue Sep 17, 2002 6:11 am

I've taken a couple of hours to read through your video guides and I have two questions remaining.

For Klinky-san, How do I take a piece of video that I didn't personally encode and find out what codec it's from?

for myself. What's causing the delay inside premere 6?


I'll provide any information you need.
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Postby FurryCurry » Tue Sep 17, 2002 7:21 am

Koishii wrote:I've taken a couple of hours to read through your video guides and I have two questions remaining.

For Klinky-san, How do I take a piece of video that I didn't personally encode and find out what codec it's from?

for myself. What's causing the delay inside premere 6?


I'll provide any information you need.


Download Virtual Dub.
You can google for it, or probably find a link to it on www.doom9.org
Open your clips in Virtual Dub, and select File Information.
The codec used will be listed there, along with lots of other information.

The lag/frame instability you describe is likely caused by premiere using direct show filters to decode the video, which are not frame accurate.

You can also use Virtual Dub to select clips that you want to use, and convert them to HuffYUV format, which should hopefully clear up the problem you describe.
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Postby NME » Tue Sep 17, 2002 9:23 am

He's a lost cause ErMaC. SAVE YOURSELF WHILE YOU STILL CAN!

RUN!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby ErMaC » Tue Sep 17, 2002 9:51 am

What FurryCurry said. If you're editing from AVI files which are DivX then you're running into keyframeing issues which is why stuff is being weird, and in that case you should also convert to huffyuv.
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