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Postby Akashio » Sun Sep 08, 2002 1:32 am

Why is it that every time I close premiere, a message pops up saying that I have performed an illegal operation? It happens EVERYTIME! Argh!

If you want the "details", here they are:

PREMIERE caused an invalid page fault in
module KERNEL32.DLL at 016f:bff9db61.
Registers:
EAX=c00309c4 CS=016f EIP=bff9db61 EFLGS=00250212
EBX=0fe4fe28 SS=0177 ESP=0fd4ff7c EBP=0fd50218
ECX=00000000 DS=0177 ESI=00000000 FS=663f
EDX=bff76855 ES=0177 EDI=bff79198 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
53 8b 15 e4 9c fc bf 56 89 4d e4 57 89 4d dc 89
Stack dump:

Can someone pleeaaase help me with this?
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Postby Akashio » Sun Sep 08, 2002 1:34 am

oh! and on top of that, i hit "close" and the f***ing thing wont go away! it just keeps coming back intantaneously! While this window is up, it eats the same amount of RAM premiere was previously eating up which slows my computer down quite a bit!
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Postby kthulhu » Sun Sep 08, 2002 1:43 am

What OS are you running? And when did this start?
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Postby Akashio » Sun Sep 08, 2002 1:45 am

kthulhu wrote:What OS are you running? And when did this start?


I'm running '98 and it started about 3 months ago...
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Postby kthulhu » Sun Sep 08, 2002 1:58 am

Hmm. What happens if you open it directly with the Premiere executable, do nothing, and then close it? If it still crashes even doing that, go Start/Run/ type in MSCONFIG and press Enter. You see 3 options, choose selective startup, and uncheck "Load startup group items". Hit OK and reboot, then try again. Still crashes? You probably need to reinstall Premiere.

If it doesn't crash just loading and closing, maybe try reinstalling your codecs.

Just some ideas.
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Sun Sep 08, 2002 2:43 am

are you getting page faults in any other programs? Page faults are memory issues - I think your ram could be broken.
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Postby trythil » Sun Sep 08, 2002 3:30 am

-- quick definitions for justification of my recommended course of action --

Virtual memory is a technique utilized to provide a larger memory address space for a program. (It has nothing to do with the difference between physical RAM and swap-space.) Your computer doesn't actually work with all of that hundreds of megabytes of RAM in one large chunk; it divides it up into units called pages.

A page fault, then, is an event that occurs when a program requests data that is not loaded into the active page; when this occurs, the OS must locate the requested data and load it.

If the OS cannot find this data, that's an invalid page fault.

Therefore:

I'd check your software installation history over the past three months to see if there's anything that could be causing this in Premiere. If that doesn't work, check the hardware -- it's entirely possible that bad RAM is the cause.
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Postby jbone » Sun Sep 08, 2002 7:19 am

It's also possible a fulty hard drive is the cause - I once had Win2k report page faults when one of my hard drives was going bad. You should go to the website of your hard drive's manufacturer and download whatever testing tool/utility they provide, and then run it and see if it detets any disc errors.
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Postby klinky » Sun Sep 08, 2002 7:56 am

It's also a possibility that Windows 98 sucks ass and that windows likes to kill itself on it's own :\ .


I would try a uninstalling Premiere. Remove all installed codecs. Re-install Direct X, re-install your codecs, re-install Premiere. Make sure you have the latest drivers for your hardware and motherboard :\.

Definitely run msconfig and disable your startup group items.

*RARELY* is windows error faulty hardware :evil:

I've had Internet Explorer crash in '98 after a few hours while browsing. Once I got Win2K, no more crashing.

Plus when a error comes up in windows you don't run out and install a new DIMM. Software FIRST then hardware.. I know you guys know that already tho :p.


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Postby Lyrs » Sun Sep 08, 2002 10:41 am

It seems the answer has already been provided but this might also help out performance and ram wise. Do a www.google.com search for "end it all freeware download."

Enditall is a software that easily closes all running programs except Explorer and Systray, unless you specify it not to close a running software. This lessens the ram and cpu usage of other programs. Also, do a virus check and other system scans.

Certain spyware/adware (kazaa, divx5) run immediately on startup and don't show up on the lower right corner icon bar. Find software that will elimate the spyware/adware of a softeware you use.

If you want to make permanent changes to teh startup, do the msconfig or find Regcleaner. It's a system registry cleaner software that will disable software startups that you don't want to startup. It also cleans up Old registry entries. A clean registry makes for a faster pc.
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Postby The Wired Knight » Sun Sep 08, 2002 2:39 pm

That's a windows problem it does it to all sorts of programs and means nothing nintey percent of the time. Windows does this as a failsafe against codes and system operations it does not recognize, the thing is that it's more of a pain in the ass than a help. Disregard it, it will keep coming up but nothing is wrong.
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Postby klinky » Sun Sep 08, 2002 5:54 pm

Lyrs>> That's basically what msconfig does :\


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Postby trythil » Sun Sep 08, 2002 7:49 pm

The Wired Knight wrote:That's a windows problem it does it to all sorts of programs and means nothing nintey percent of the time. Windows does this as a failsafe against codes and system operations it does not recognize, the thing is that it's more of a pain in the ass than a help. Disregard it, it will keep coming up but nothing is wrong.


You couldn't be more wrong; I've already stated why.
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Postby The Wired Knight » Sun Sep 08, 2002 11:05 pm

trythil wrote:
The Wired Knight wrote:That's a windows problem it does it to all sorts of programs and means nothing nintey percent of the time. Windows does this as a failsafe against codes and system operations it does not recognize, the thing is that it's more of a pain in the ass than a help. Disregard it, it will keep coming up but nothing is wrong.


You couldn't be more wrong; I've already stated why.


You can blame microsoft for that one, it's what they always tell me everytime I call and tell them taht Netscape crashed even when it is the only program open besides explorer and Sstray. The bloody thing has even done it to Word Perfect.
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Postby trythil » Sun Sep 08, 2002 11:48 pm

The Wired Knight wrote:
trythil wrote:
The Wired Knight wrote:That's a windows problem it does it to all sorts of programs and means nothing nintey percent of the time. Windows does this as a failsafe against codes and system operations it does not recognize, the thing is that it's more of a pain in the ass than a help. Disregard it, it will keep coming up but nothing is wrong.


You couldn't be more wrong; I've already stated why.


You can blame microsoft for that one, it's what they always tell me everytime I call and tell them taht Netscape crashed even when it is the only program open besides explorer and Sstray. The bloody thing has even done it to Word Perfect.


-digression-

(1) It's not just a Windows problem: every modern operating system has page faults, and every OS will have invalid page faults every now and then. The difference is in the quality of the OS code: for example, how well the VM manager manages memory, as well as how well the OS can recover from such problems.

(2) 100% of the time, an invalid page fault is significant. To a programmer, it means something is possibly being accessed out of order, especially s/he is working with multithreaded code or code that makes use of multiple processes + inter-process communication. To the user, it means that a program s/he is using is not working correctly.

(3) It is a failsafe, but it's hardly a pain in the ass. Would you rather have your system keep working with corrupt data, or let you know something weird occurred?

-end digression-
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