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Postby Wonka » Fri Aug 23, 2002 12:34 am

I just felt like I should offer my services to the AMV creating world. This how too is by no means law, nor is it the onhly way of doing things by any stretch of the imagination, but it is one way, and it is the way myself and Beowulf use. We also have just added an XviD section, wich there arnt many of that Im aware of. Please come check it out, and I hope it can be of any help.

Also, it says so on the front page, but Ill say it again, thanks to Ermac and Aluminum for all the information that they have made public over the course of my AMV making days, without it, I would not be able to make the videos I made, nor have an understanding of it enough to be able to write a tutorial. I am in your debt.

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Postby Hitori » Fri Aug 23, 2002 1:40 am

Yes, very good tutorial!! ^_^ and I don't hax!!!
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Postby Wonka » Fri Aug 23, 2002 1:49 am

Lol, thank you, and I know, you just have infuriatingly good accuracy, but never fear, I will own your ass one of these days ;)
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Postby Hitori » Fri Aug 23, 2002 1:50 am

yes you will!! :lol:
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Fri Aug 23, 2002 2:07 am

Well, there's some things I definitely would not do that you've done in your guides, to be honest.

1) Deinterlace - blend fields. This is baaaaaaaaad. It will just make 2 out of 5 frames look ghosty. You'd be much better of with either a better deinterlacing method (such as an Area Based and Smart Deinterlacer combo) or by using the decomb avisynth plugin.

2) I notice you don't use avisynth for importing your dvd2avi project - you really should as it's much quicker and means you can do fast recompress in vdub. This will also mean you are only doing 1 colourspace conversion instead of two. The more colourspace conversions you do, the worse it will look, even with lossless codecs. Basically you dont want to convert between RGB and YUV too many times. You method goes:

DVD footage - YUV
Vafpi convertor and virtualdub - RGB
HuffYUV - YUV
Premiere - RGB
HuffYUV export - YUV

That's 4 colour conversions right there. You can save on these by either choosing RGB mode in huffYUV or by using avisynth and fast recompress to avoid the first RGB colour conversion.

3) You aren't getting the best out of the codec by just using a 10mb/minute rule of thumb. You could be over or undercompressing something depending on the cmopressibility of your source. You should really use the first pass results as a guide to your encoding settings. You should also use the alternative curve compression and choose options based on your first pass. This is a little more complicated but will be described in the extension to the video guide that me and ErMaC are writing.

On the whole it's not a bad guide at all, as everything works and in quite a simple straightforward way. It's very user friendly and will give reasonable results but I think that there's some choices here which are going to radiclly affect the quality of your output - such as the deinterlacing method which will inevitably make your video less compressable.
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Postby Wonka » Fri Aug 23, 2002 2:12 am

Thanks for the advice AD, I will look into everything you are saying. You may need to go over some more of this at AWA, say, over a beer? ;)
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Fri Aug 23, 2002 2:26 am

more like over several beers :)

I've got a really sweet (and pretty l33t) xvid encoding method that I've been testing for the new guide - it's pretty spot on and will tell you all the right settings for every encode you want. I'm doing some more testing but it looks very promising.

DebugView is your friend :)
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Postby Wonka » Fri Aug 23, 2002 2:40 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:more like over several beers :)

I've got a really sweet (and pretty l33t) xvid encoding method that I've been testing for the new guide - it's pretty spot on and will tell you all the right settings for every encode you want. I'm doing some more testing but it looks very promising.

DebugView is your friend :)


Awsome, its settled then :D lol, I just hope Ill be able to remember all the info ;)
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Postby TaranT » Fri Aug 23, 2002 3:00 am

I read through this quickly. Looks good at first glance, but a few suggestions:

* Lose the background paper. It's cool, but it distracts from the text in a big way.

* Go over line by line for spelling errors. "Add nauseum" should be "ad nauseum", "hearts content" is "heart's content", "somthing" is not right, etc. Also..."ErMaC" and "TMPGEnc".

* I assume the "too" in "How Too" is intentional.

* To get a more professional look, use a consistent and accepted spelling of acronyms like MPEG, AVI, etc.

* Delete or replace the "4-letter" words.

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Postby jbone » Fri Aug 23, 2002 8:15 am

TaranT wrote:* I assume the "too" in "How Too" is intentional.


Intentional or not, it's wrong. :-D Someone needs to learn the difference between "to" and "too..."
"If someone feels the need to 'express' himself or herself with a huge graphical 'singature' that has nothing to do with anything, that person should reevaluate his or her reasons for needing said form of expression, possibly with the help of a licensed mental health practitioner."
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Postby jbone » Fri Aug 23, 2002 8:17 am

You also might want to reformat your pages, as currently they do not appear correct unless one is viewing them at 1024x768 full-screen.
"If someone feels the need to 'express' himself or herself with a huge graphical 'singature' that has nothing to do with anything, that person should reevaluate his or her reasons for needing said form of expression, possibly with the help of a licensed mental health practitioner."
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Postby Wonka » Fri Aug 23, 2002 6:17 pm

jbone wrote:
TaranT wrote:* I assume the "too" in "How Too" is intentional.


Intentional or not, it's wrong. :-D Someone needs to learn the difference between "to" and "too..."


The "How Too" is in fact intentional, and will not be change, sorry that you feel that its "wrong", looks like you may in fact, need to get over it ;).

I apologize about the spelling errors, they will of course be fixed, however, I realy dont feel the need to delete the 4 letter words.

I appreciate all of you taking the time to go check it out, and dont worry, the page is gonna by more 800x600 friendly when I release HS 2.
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Hey AD

Postby Beowulf » Sat Aug 24, 2002 1:25 pm

I'm begging a new video at the moment but I want to make sure all the pre work is done right so this time I'm gonna bite the bullet and edit in 720x480.

My question is what de-interlace method do you use? I have Donald Graft's Smart Deinterlace but the settings are a complete loss to me. If you could point me in the right direction I would be much obliged.

BTW I'm using an AVISynth vob thingy in virtualdub. I plan on chopping up clips in vdub using the RBG huffyuv method. So, if I'm not correct this would be 3 color conversions right? I just don't have the horsepower, nor the patience, to edit the vobs directly for 2 color conversions.
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Postby ErMaC » Sat Aug 24, 2002 2:47 pm

The VOBs being opened in Premiere is a colorconversion anyways (premiere only works in 24-bit color. 8-bit alpha RGB) so it doesn't really matter whether your huffyuvs are RGB or YUV - I'd recommend leaving them YUV since that takes up less space. Premiere will convert them to RGB anyways. It's just a question of whether you trust Premiere YUV->RGB conversion. :) Which seems to work fine, so I don't worry.

And you don't deinterlace before your project, at least I certainly wouldn't just do it afterwards. As for deinterlace settings, we'll be going over them in the guide, which I plan on writing some of tomorrow at least. Which guide I'm not sure yet, need to talk to Ian.
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Postby Beowulf » Sat Aug 24, 2002 3:16 pm

ErMaC wrote:The VOBs being opened in Premiere is a colorconversion anyways (premiere only works in 24-bit color. 8-bit alpha RGB) so it doesn't really matter whether your huffyuvs are RGB or YUV - I'd recommend leaving them YUV since that takes up less space. Premiere will convert them to RGB anyways. It's just a question of whether you trust Premiere YUV->RGB conversion. :) Which seems to work fine, so I don't worry.

And you don't deinterlace before your project, at least I certainly wouldn't just do it afterwards. As for deinterlace settings, we'll be going over them in the guide, which I plan on writing some of tomorrow at least. Which guide I'm not sure yet, need to talk to Ian.


Thanks a bunch Ermac, that helps a lot. Especially since now I only have to use clips that are 2-4 megs a second instead of 5-7 :)
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