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premier and xp

Postby ZeWrestler » Thu Aug 22, 2002 5:42 am

i've heard so many people complain about using xp and premier to gether, so, out of cureosity, what happens when you use the two together?
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Postby klinky » Thu Aug 22, 2002 6:20 am

Nothing much, works the same old way ;) .

I've had no problems with Premire in XP....not to say I haven't had problems with XP however... :(


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Postby RyanGlazner » Thu Aug 22, 2002 6:22 am

Famines o'er the land. Plagues of locust (locusti?). The usual.
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Postby ErMaC » Thu Aug 22, 2002 9:58 am

Plagues, darkness!
The dead rising from the grave!
Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes!
Cats and dogs, living together -- mass hysteria!
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Thu Aug 22, 2002 10:03 am

I've seen shit that'll turn you white.
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Postby ErMaC » Thu Aug 22, 2002 10:06 am

I don't have to take this abuse from you, I've got hundreds of people dying to abuse me.
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Postby mofisto » Thu Aug 22, 2002 1:08 pm

Premiere and XP WORK FINE TOGETHER AS LONG AS YOU DON'T SUCK AT USING COMPUTERS!!

Good god. Windows XP is not that much different from win2k or NT. It works fine on those platforms why not on XP. I'll tell you why because it does work.

I have ZERO trouble with it in XP. On win98, win98se, and win95 it worked horribly. Crashed constantly.

So I guess we all know where I stand
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Postby NicholasDWolfwood » Thu Aug 22, 2002 1:13 pm

XP has been wonderful for me. Windows 2000 would always crash every hour or two when playing games, doing vid editing, etc. Now my PC rarely every crashes, and Premiere 6.02+XP Pro works fine. I just hope that RAID+Premiere+XP Pro works..
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Postby trythil » Thu Aug 22, 2002 1:56 pm

mofisto wrote:Premiere and XP WORK FINE TOGETHER AS LONG AS YOU DON'T SUCK AT USING COMPUTERS!!

Good god. Windows XP is not that much different from win2k or NT. It works fine on those platforms why not on XP. I'll tell you why because it does work.

I have ZERO trouble with it in XP. On win98, win98se, and win95 it worked horribly. Crashed constantly.

So I guess we all know where I stand


In the Faction of People Who Make Short-Sighted Statements?

It's perfectly possible to be highly competent with computers and have XP being nothing more than a steaming pile of dog-shit. If you can't figure out how, I don't think you're at all qualified to make the statement that you did above.

XP and Win2K -share- a common code base, but that doesn't really mean all that much when it comes to interoperability at higher layers. It's entirely possible to have things go wrong WITHOUT user interaction -- I can show you several examples.

If the differences between XP and Win2K are few enough to warrant your otherwise short-sighted, ignorant assertion, then do this:

Download the Windows XP SDK.
Download the Windows 2000 SDK.

Prove to me that the architectural differences between the two operating systems are small enough so that application breakage, particularly breakage of Adobe Premiere, should not exist.

As I cannot download either SDK (not running Windows, not running Internet Explorer) I'm browsing through the MSDN databases now for this kind of information, and it's pretty interesting so far.
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Postby mofisto » Thu Aug 22, 2002 2:46 pm

In the Faction of People Who Make Short-Sighted Statements?

It's perfectly possible to be highly competent with computers and have XP being nothing more than a steaming pile of dog-shit. If you can't figure out how, I don't think you're at all qualified to make the statement that you did above.

XP and Win2K -share- a common code base, but that doesn't really mean all that much when it comes to interoperability at higher layers. It's entirely possible to have things go wrong WITHOUT user interaction -- I can show you several examples.

If the differences between XP and Win2K are few enough to warrant your otherwise short-sighted, ignorant assertion, then do this:

Download the Windows XP SDK.
Download the Windows 2000 SDK.

Prove to me that the architectural differences between the two operating systems are small enough so that application breakage, particularly breakage of Adobe Premiere, should not exist.

As I cannot download either SDK (not running Windows, not running Internet Explorer) I'm browsing through the MSDN databases now for this kind of information, and it's pretty interesting so far.


Okay while you are right there are differences between the programs. The resulting problems between Premiere and XP are not as the result of XP fault. Applications that are not designed to compatibility are the reason Premiere crashes. I have built/operated/upgraded and used computers with many different softwares runing. I have found Windows XP Home and Pro editions are the most stable, offer the most features. I have also used Premiere on most of these systems. Each of the systems the did NOT use XP where much less stable. Since Premiere is a memory hog, software that resides in memory and is not properly written for XP or not my be what is causing the crashes. It just happens the premiere gets blamed because ITS what set it off. It was operating the way its supposed to. As for saying I am ignorant, you are way wrong. I have a short fuse but I am not ignorant by far. If you are worried about Premiere crashing in XP the simplest way to ensure more compliant operation is simply to kill all of your idle TSR processes. This will ensure that there will be no memory conflicts.
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Postby nailz » Thu Aug 22, 2002 5:33 pm

mofisto wrote:Premiere and XP WORK FINE TOGETHER AS LONG AS YOU DON'T SUCK AT USING COMPUTERS!!

So I guess we all know where I stand


No, no it doesnt. And I do not suck at using computers.

Problems I had included not being able to view the clips pictures in the timelines or in the project window. this was QUITE the annoyance.
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Postby nailz » Thu Aug 22, 2002 5:38 pm

mofisto wrote:If you are worried about Premiere crashing in XP the simplest way to ensure more compliant operation is simply to kill all of your idle TSR processes. This will ensure that there will be no memory conflicts.


I have *NEVER* had premier die on me because of a memory conflict.
*flushes your theory down the tubes*
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Postby klinky » Thu Aug 22, 2002 5:40 pm

There are just some people out there. I fix my moms computer, works fine, excellent. She has it for a day and it's not booting or crashing every 5minutes for some reason! I don't know how she does it(maybe it's just the computer sucks..), but it seems fine when it leaves my hands, and then it kills itself when it is in hers...


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Postby trythil » Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:08 pm

mofisto wrote:The resulting problems between Premiere and XP are not as the result of XP fault.


Which means what? There are significant differences between Windows 2000 and XP that would require implementation changes?

Isn't that what I said? Isn't that what you were arguing didn't exist?

mofisto wrote:If you are worried about Premiere crashing in XP the simplest way to ensure more compliant operation is simply to kill all of your idle TSR processes. This will ensure that there will be no memory conflicts.


So XP's memory management sucks?

One of the big points of a protected-mode memory model is just that: protection. Ideally, under no circumstance should any process be able to commit an unauthorized access to another process' memory space.

Obviously, things aren't ideal, and segmentation faults occur on any OS. But most OSes and programs (Premiere, I'm willing to bet, is one of them, given that by its very nature it requires loads of RAM, and Adobe likes to keep customers) know how to gracefully handle many cases of access faults; and, if you need to kill off background processes to get Premiere to work, it's not user error. It's a flaw in the OS design.

To come full circle: If such an action is not necessary under Windows 2000, then that's a major difference between 2000 and XP.
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Postby Sinime » Tue Aug 27, 2002 7:35 pm

I fix my moms computer, works fine, excellent. She has it for a day and it's not booting or crashing every 5minutes for some reason!


It could be unstable power in her house. My girlfriend was the same way, until I bought her a battery backup and reformatted for the last time.
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