Buying a new laptop for editing?

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Re: Buying a new laptop for editing?

Postby Kariudo » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:41 pm

Yes, core2duo is better than a p4.
remember that you should be looking at the laptop specs, not the desktop specs. 2.6GHz Pentium D or 1.8GHz Core2duo or better

look here. For encoding some stuff with divx, the 3.7GHz P4 took 210 seconds.
The 1.8GHz core2duo did the same thing in 156 seconds
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Re: Buying a new laptop for editing?

Postby AimoAio » Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:34 pm

Ah okay.Right.Got another question,this time for desktops :D

My little brother is interested in buying a computer for gaming.So I told him to get a dedicated graphics card for it.Trouble is,both of us don't know much about graphic cards...it's just for him to have a look before he decides whether or not he's buying it,so any recommendations for him?

Also he wants to know if it'll be difficult to install(He's not a very techy person either)
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Re: Buying a new laptop for editing?

Postby Kariudo » Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:15 am

installation is just plugging the card into a slot (some cards need a connector from the power supply,) and then putting a CD with the software into your computer. It's a pretty easy process.

The card I'd point you to depends on the budget and what games your brother is looking to play.

For light gaming like Sims, SimCity2000, Doom (and other old stuff) you'll probably do fine with the ATI HD4650 (~45 pounds) or something even cheaper

For general gaming, something like the ATI HD4830 should do
(~60 pounds to 95 pounds)

For heavy gaming (stuff like Crysis on a 1920 x 1200 monitor) you'll want something like the ATI HD4870x2 (~250 pounds)

all those are ATI, Nvidia would do just as well...but they rename their products so often that it's hard to keep up with what is what.

You'll need to know what kind of interface the motherboard has (this and this other thing and another other thing should help)

If your brother isn't planning to buy all the parts and build the computer himself chances are that you won't be able to upgrade the graphics card too much as the more powerful cards need 6-pin or 8-pin connectors (or two of one, or one of both) which something like a typical Dell isn't likely to have
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Re: Buying a new laptop for editing?

Postby AimoAio » Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:33 am

6-pin,8-pin connectors?

Do you think it's worth the cash to upgrade this desktop computer to one with similar specs to the SX138C asus laptop?What parts of a computer can I upgrade?

AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2600+
2.07 GHz, 448MB of RAM
111 GB of Hard Drive Space

Or would I better off just buying a brand new one?

(This is probably a software question but I'll ask here anyway)

Is it possible to downgrade Windows Vista to XP?
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Re: Buying a new laptop for editing?

Postby Kariudo » Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:54 am

this goes over the various connectors a power supply can have (the 6-pin and 8-pin connectors I'm talking about are the pci-e connectors)

As for upgrading that desktop, no...wouldn't really be worth it. Chances are you wouldn't be able to find the parts that you need (Athlon XP line is pretty dated.)
For pre-built computers (pretty much anything from Dell, HP, Sony, eMachines, etc...) there is more of a limit on what you can upgrade. RAM, Hard Drives and CD/DVD drives are pretty much it. Sometimes you can upgrade the cpu (a little, in your case you'd have to go with another Althon XP. Upgrading to an Athlon 64 X2 wouldn't be possible.) Likewise, you may be able to upgrade the graphics card sometimes...but you probably wouldn't be able to get anything that needs a 6-pin or 8-pin cable (as the dinky power supply wouldn't be able to give it the power it needs)

To the best of my knowledge, you can't downgrade to XP and transfer all your programs and files (you could manually back up your important files and put them into their respective folders though.) You can wipe the drive and install XP on it...and that's about it
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Re: Buying a new laptop for editing?

Postby AimoAio » Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:20 pm

I'd have to buy the XP OS seperately won't I?

You know where I can find out the comparison between the processor on here and the Asus SX138C? I checked that website you gave me earlier with the encoding and AMD Athlon processor QL-64 doesn't seem to be on the list.

Also I noticed in the product specs for the Acer laptop,there doesn't seem to be a graphics card included...
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Re: Buying a new laptop for editing?

Postby Kariudo » Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:59 pm

I can't find any comparisons either, but as a general rule the Core2Duo will outperform a comparable Athlon64 X2. (After some more searching, the comparable cpus would be the Turion TL-64 and C2D T7300 found on this chart. It isn't exact, but it'l give you an idea)

From what I found, it looks like that Acer has an ATI HD 3200 for graphics (it's an integrated graphics chip)
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Re: Buying a new laptop for editing?

Postby AimoAio » Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:16 am

Woah,seems like the Core2Duo's alot faster.

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For computers using built-in graphics chipsets under Windows, the game requires at least:

Intel Integrated Chipset, GMA 3-Series or above

This means the Acer laptop won't be able to run the game right?
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Re: Buying a new laptop for editing?

Postby Kariudo » Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:18 pm

As with the cpu, equivalent or better.

The ATI HD3200 will do fine. It performed better than the GMA-X4500M according to this (positions 130 and 135 respectively)
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Re: Buying a new laptop for editing?

Postby AimoAio » Sun Oct 04, 2009 5:56 pm

So processor wise,the asus is better.

Graphic card wise,the acer is better.

Asus:£419

Acer: £379

Would I be better off buying the Asus?
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Re: Buying a new laptop for editing?

Postby Kariudo » Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:32 pm

Battery life is about 3 hours for both
Acer has more hard drive space
Acer has a slightly better graphics card
Asus has a better cpu

I'd go with the Acer. The only real difference you'd notice with the core2duo is when you do your final encode.
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Re: Buying a new laptop for editing?

Postby AimoAio » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:35 am

As long as it doesn't take 2-3 hours like my current one then I'm happy :)

Thanks for all your help!
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Re: Buying a new laptop for editing?

Postby Emotive » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:56 pm

Kariudo wrote:
AimoAio wrote:Am I right in assuming Intel Pentium,Celeron and Cores are just processor names?Is there a significant difference between them?

The simple answer is yes, but that's a rather technical subject. Suffice it to say that Core i7/i5 > Core2 > Core > Pentium > Celeron (generally speaking)

Right, I've been half-following this conversation and got to that part.

I am getting a new desktop PC soon, and I'm currently between an i7 and an i5. The i7 costs more, plus I'd need to get a more expensive motherboard to support it and some other RAM that would also end up more expensive. Do you think it would be worth its money, and what's the difference between the two anyway? I hear i5 should do the job magnificently too, so I'm wondering what one is paying for when buying an i7.
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Re: Buying a new laptop for editing?

Postby Kariudo » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:19 pm

Supposedly, the i5 runs on part to the i7 but is cheaper and runs cooler (source)
the review on hardwarecanucks shows the i7 still has the edge, and both platforms use DDR3 (LGA 1366 can use triple channel ram, whereas LGA 1156 (i5s and some newer i7s) can only use dual channel ram)).

The difference in price of the ram (per GB) for the triple channel stuff vs the dual channel stuff is negligible. You don't have to use triple channel ram with LGA 1366...but that's just a little more potential you're giving up.

All in all, I'd go for the i5 (the difference in i5 and i7 may be made up by overclocking, if not exceeded...seeing as the i5 750 can get up to 4GHz)
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Re: Buying a new laptop for editing?

Postby Emotive » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:40 pm

Mm, thanks. It seems I will indeed go for the i5 too.
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