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it's my first time...........................[buliding a pc]

Postby RonnieDaking » Thu May 28, 2009 4:55 pm

i'm planing to replace my crappy DELL OptiPlex 330 with a afordably pc i'm planing to bulid. So i'l like to know is it easy to bulid a pc or not, also is this setup any good for very basic video gaming and video editing?


ASRock N68-S AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 7025 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard -$48


Rosewill R101-P-BK 120mm Fan MicroATX Mid Tower Computer Case-$25


MD Sempron LE-1250 Sparta 2.2GHz 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 45W Single-Core Processor-$30

Broadway Com Corp OKIA-500-RB 500W ATX 12V V2.2 Power Supply-$15

ITACHI Deskstar 7K160 HDS721680PLA380 (0A32727) 80GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive-$33



PS. I also have spare ram and dvd drives at home.
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Re: it's my first time...........................[buliding a pc]

Postby Kariudo » Thu May 28, 2009 6:09 pm

That's a pretty light machine, dunno how it would fare in editing (should do just fine...though encoding/transcoding will be sluggish) but it would not be good for gaming unless you're planning on playing old stuff like simCity.

If you want to play fps games like F.E.A.R., Gears of War, Crysis, etc... you'll want a graphics card

I'd change out the power supply you have there at the very least. Cheap power supplies are the bane of many a system.

Hard drive is a bit skimpy, given the restrictions of your mATX case I'd go for a larger one (price per GB drops as capacity increases).

You should make sure that your ram is ddr2 if you plan to reuse it in your new system...but even if it isn't, ddr2 is dirt cheap right now

here's what I'd go for:
Foxconn A78AX-S $50 after rebate
Athlon64 X2 5000 $53
Corsair 400W psu $40 after rebate
Rosewill R220-P-BK ($25, mid tower...more room)
sapphire HD4830 $80 after rebate (a nice mid-range card that should do you good in most modern games)
WD 640GB sata HD $70
2GB G Skill ddr2 800 $30

The 4830 should be capable of doing video encoding using the avivo video converter as mentioned in your previous thread
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Re: it's my first time...........................[buliding a pc]

Postby RonnieDaking » Thu May 28, 2009 6:21 pm

i was planing to upgrade the cpu later, but the psu sound good idea now.
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Re: it's my first time...........................[buliding a pc]

Postby RonnieDaking » Thu May 28, 2009 6:24 pm

also i planing to do lite gaming [like the orange box and call of duty 2]
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Re: it's my first time...........................[buliding a pc]

Postby RonnieDaking » Thu May 28, 2009 6:29 pm

[quote="Kariudo"]That's a pretty light machine, dunno how it would fare in editing (should do just fine...though encoding/transcoding will be sluggish) but it would not be good for gaming unless you're planning on playing old stuff like simCity.



you should see the pc i have now. 1.6 ghz celoron cpu and intel graphic card
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Re: it's my first time...........................[buliding a pc]

Postby Zarxrax » Thu May 28, 2009 8:21 pm

It's pretty easy to build a PC, I built my first one when I was in high school and my only prior experience inside my PC was doing a ram upgrade. It's pretty straightforward. These days, I bet you can even find instructional videos on youtube or something.

You get what you pay for though. Looks like you are trying to build a PC for a little over a hundred bucks O.o
You mentioned orange box, and I doubt that system will handle Team Fortress 2 very well.

And the thing about upgrading... it's not all that ideal really. For instance, every year or two it seems like that come out with CPUs that need a completely different motherboard. Or they come out with better ram or something. In my opinion, its best to wait and build a really good system, than to just get something crappy hoping you can upgrade later.
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Re: it's my first time...........................[buliding a pc]

Postby RonnieDaking » Thu May 28, 2009 8:30 pm

Zarxrax wrote:It's pretty easy to build a PC, I built my first one when I was in high school and my only prior experience inside my PC was doing a ram upgrade. It's pretty straightforward. These days, I bet you can even find instructional videos on <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=73475">boochsack</a> or something.

You get what you pay for though. Looks like you are trying to build a PC for a little over a hundred bucks O.o
You mentioned orange box, and I doubt that system will handle Team Fortress 2 very well.

And the thing about upgrading... it's not all that ideal really. For instance, every year or two it seems like that come out with CPUs that need a completely different motherboard. Or they come out with better ram or something. In my opinion, its best to wait and build a really good system, than to just get something crappy hoping you can upgrade later.



i see.... what about this setup
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... &CatId=332
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Re: it's my first time...........................[buliding a pc]

Postby Zarxrax » Thu May 28, 2009 8:43 pm

I know nothing about AMD processors and ATI graphics, so someone else will have to answer that.

I have heard some people say you dont want a cheap power supply, as it can cause problems like frying your other equipment, or die after a short time. I've also heard people say there's nothing wrong with using a cheap power supply. I've always stayed on the safe side and spent at least $50 or so on my power supply. My old cheap case that I bought for 30 bucks a long time ago also started falling apart quickly. I bought a nice case when I build my current system and it's amazing. I honestly didn't know I could love a case :p

For encoding video, intel CPUs generally kick AMDs butt. I think AMD is ok with gaming and stuff though.
And you probably want at least 2gb of ram.
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Re: it's my first time...........................[buliding a pc]

Postby RonnieDaking » Thu May 28, 2009 8:48 pm

then what is a good price for a pc for buliding for entry level video editing and slightly older games(call of duty 1,2 the orange box , bf 1942 ) and any suggesting for a bulid?
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Re: it's my first time...........................[buliding a pc]

Postby Kariudo » Thu May 28, 2009 9:17 pm

the Radeon 3100 is another integrated graphics chip.
You generally want to avoid integrated graphics if you want to do gaming

ATI and Nvidia trade blows as far as graphics performance goes, either would be fine.

Other than that the barebones kit there is alright, but it's missing a psu...if you got the Corsair psu that would put you over the total from the rig I suggested previously.

As far as encoding times go...all things equal besides the make and series of the cpu
from lowest to highest:
Intel Core i7, AMD Phenom II, Intel Core 2, AMD Phenom, AMD Athlon64, Intel Pentium 4

Phenom and Phenom II are only tri and quad core processors, which is more than you will (regularly) use and seems to be a bit out of your budget (the cpu itself would run about $180 or more)

core i7 is quad core and would be more than you want to spend
core2 or Athlon64 would be up your alley

if you want a core 2 duo cpu, expect to spend around $500 on the entire rig (as opposed to the $350 for the Athlon64 X2 one I suggested)

All in all, $350 is getting close to the lowest you'll be able to spend to get a decent mid-level editing and gaming rig
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Re: it's my first time...........................[buliding a pc]

Postby RonnieDaking » Thu May 28, 2009 9:33 pm

Kariudo wrote:the Radeon 3100 is another integrated graphics chip.
You generally want to avoid integrated graphics if you want to do gaming

ATI and Nvidia trade blows as far as graphics performance goes, either would be fine.

Other than that the barebones kit there is alright, but it's missing a psu...if you got the Corsair psu that would put you over the total from the rig I suggested previously.

As far as encoding times go...all things equal besides the make and series of the cpu
from lowest to highest:
Intel Core i7, AMD Phenom II, Intel Core 2, AMD Phenom, AMD Athlon64, Intel Pentium 4

Phenom and Phenom II are only tri and quad core processors, which is more than you will (regularly) use and seems to be a bit out of your budget (the cpu itself would run about $180 or more)

core i7 is quad core and would be more than you want to spend
core2 or Athlon64 would be up your alley

if you want a core 2 duo cpu, expect to spend around $500 on the entire rig (as opposed to the $350 for the Athlon64 X2 one I suggested)

All in all, $350 is getting close to the lowest you'll be able to spend to get a decent mid-level editing and gaming rig




thanks for all your help


PS. is this cheaper then upgrading a barely upgrable DELL OptiPlex 330
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Re: it's my first time...........................[buliding a pc]

Postby Kariudo » Fri May 29, 2009 3:18 pm

It probably won't be cheaper, but it'll perform better.

You'd be able to upgrade the ram (probably), but my guess is that your current system uses DDR (2GB DDR kit runs about $70)
The only other thing you'd really be able to upgrade is the hard drive.
I can't find enough information on your system to say if you would be able to upgrade the cpu or not...but even if you would be able to it wouldn't be that much of an improvement
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Re: it's my first time...........................[buliding a pc]

Postby s0matic » Sun May 31, 2009 11:32 am

I've been contemplating building a new rig, as my current with is getting ancient, and after running some numbers through Newegg, I found that's it's possible to get a decent editing/gaming rig for sub $500 usd (excluding monitor, speakers, keyboard, os, etc. the minor stuff.)

Total came out to around ~450 ish after rebates:

Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail - $70
GIGABYTE GA-G31M-ES2L LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail - $53
OCZ Blade Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory - Retail - $37 after rebate
ASUS EAH4770/HTDI/512MD5 Radeon HD 4770 512MB 128-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card - Retail - $99
CORSAIR CMPSU-400CX 400W ATX12V V2.2 80 PLUS Certified Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Retail - $40 after rebate
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM - $60
COOLER MASTER ELITE 335 RC-335-KKN1-GP Black SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail - $40 after rebate

So after rebates, and before shipping and tax it comes out to...$400, which is really really good. The key here is the video card, the Radeon HD 4770, which is probably the best bang for the buck video card right now. You should be able to run any modern game at decent frame rates @1680x1050 with that card, including Crysis. That means all Source/Orange Box games will run extremely smoothly. If you need a monitor, just add a cheap 21-23" at Newegg for another $150-$160. Operating system another $100 or so. The only problem is that stock is low at the moment (for the 477.) I'm guessing supply is low and demand is high I guess. If you're willing to wait for one of them to be in stock I'd highly suggest you pick up that card. If not you could probably spend $30~$50 more and grab a 512mb 4870 like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161268
Actually, if you want better gaming performance, I would suggest the 4870 as it's not much more expensive (that one at least). If price is more of an issue I'd stick with the 4770.

As far as building it goes, it's definitely not very hard. There are many guides on the internet dedicated to helping you build a PC, so it shouldn't be a problem finding one. If you still don't feel comfortable, ask one of your tech-savvy friends to help.

If you're feeling adventurous and want even better gaming performance/encoding times, then you can always overclock your CPU. This topic is a bit more advanced, but as always, a lot of info on the web on that if you wanna look into it. If you do it right, it's extra performance you don't have to pay money for.

TLDR; you can get a really good gaming/editing PC for less than $500-700 usd if you build your own. Core 2 e5200 is the best value cpu, a good step up would probably be the Phenom II X3 for $140, good gaming performance and one more core for better encoding times. Best value video card would probably be a Radeon HD 4770, cheap 4870's are a really good runner-up. And with those setups you should have no problem running Orange Box games.

If you want more info on budget PC setups, check out this guide
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Re: it's my first time...........................[buliding a pc]

Postby s0matic » Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:53 pm

s0matic wrote:TLDR; words


Actually, after reading this article, I would personally choose the e6300 especiallly when overclocked, over the e5200/e5300. At $~15 more I see the performance gains justifying the extra cost (when overclocked.) Plus it has Virtualization Technology support, good if you're gonna be using Windows 7 later on.

If not overclocking however, I'd probably pick the Athlon II X2 250 for value performance.
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Re: it's my first time...........................[buliding a pc]

Postby RonnieDaking » Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:15 pm

thank alot for all your help


PS. what about a good video capture device
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