the Black Monarch wrote:You're MUCH better off with a faster-clocked dual-core system than with a slower-clocked quad, and it's extremely unlikely that you'll need more than 2gb of RAM unless you're editing in HD.
The video card won't matter unless you're also planning on using your rig for gaming.
anubisx00 wrote:Where the hell do you get your information from
With the dual vs quad debate, if it was 2 years ago I might of agreed with you.
But nowadays most professional apps are multi-threaded.
And even 2 years ago, one of the few benefits people would state quad cores were good for was media creation (video, audio, 3d, etc).
You can get 3 Ghz quads now for about $300
and if you want to risk overclocking you get one hell of a deal with even a cheap quad.
And the new i7 processors from Intel are amazing.
Yes the CPU frequencies are lower on the i7's but blah blah AMD blah blah...
The cheapest i7 CPU is as good, sometimes better than the most expensive Core 2 CPU (check these reviews:http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/03/intel-core-i7-review-roundup)
And just imagine if you overclocked the i7!
Now you might say that quad is still useless for gaming
Now to the RAM issue. Suggesting that 2 Gb of RAM is all that is needed is fine if you like to wait for renders and only run a single high-end application at a time.
A few years ago having more than 2 Gb of RAM was really expensive. But nowadays 8 Gb can be had for less than $100.
If there is any user that needs as much RAM as they can get, it is a media producer.
Yes, now HD definitely increases system requirements
but even with SD when using programs like After Effects or a 3D program can eat up all your RAM instantly. This is especially the case when you want to render the video or 3D model. Many people complain at how slow these programs render, but if they only threw some more RAM at them they would see their render times decrease significantly.
Now After Effects by default won't use more than 4 Gb of RAM, but it will if you set it up right.
Generally the only things limiting people to small amounts of RAM was price and the limit of 32-bit operating systems (maxes out at 4 Gb basically).
But RAM is cheap now
And as I said with quad cores, the extra RAM is a god send if you actually want to run more than 1 or 2 of these system demanding applications at the same time.
There is a reason why high end workstations like the Mac Pro or Dell Precision can have 32 Gb of RAM or more.
But unless you are doing something very high end or specific you'll probably be just fine with 4-12 Gb of RAM.
Now the video card is another one of those things a year or two ago didn't have a major impact on things other than 3D things like games or 3D modeling.
However, the industry has realized that most computers have a very powerful computing piece of hardware going to waste. Adobe with CS4 has utilized the video card to accelerate Photoshop, a mainly 2D application. And Premiere can have accelerated video rendering (albeit only with the super expensive Quadro workstation card at the moment). Many of these accelerations are due to utilizing OpenGL, but blah blah blah...
wide adoption of these technologies is probably a couple years away,
And your video card is of course a very important thing if you are working with 3D.
The higher-end workstation cards (Nvidia's Quadro and ATI's Fire series) were basically designed for 3D and CAD applications. They can seriously help on real time preview and rendering times,
but they can be thousands of dollars for the highest end cards.
P.S. - If you are going to post in the hardware section, please know what you are talking about. Or at the very least try to back it up with something.
the Black Monarch wrote:Indeen.
the Black Monarch wrote:The real world, usually.
the Black Monarch wrote:Indeed. I hear that even Adobe Premiere is dual-threaded these days.
But that doesn't mean that you can't get a 3GHz chip. Personally though, I would just overclock a chip (heck, even my Q8200 which is locked with a max multi of 7 can get me from the stock 2.33 to 3.13).the Black Monarch wrote:The OP was suggesting a 2.3ghz chip, which would be about half of that price, or roughly the same price as a 3ghz dual-core chip.
the Black Monarch wrote:Are you kidding? Dual-core chips are MUCH more overclockable than quads, possibly due to lower transistor count (a chip is only as stable as its weakest transistor), or possibly because they produce only half as much heat.
the Black Monarch wrote:They're also grotesquely expensive, as are the motherboards that support them.
the Black Monarch wrote:Sometimes better, always more expensive. Not a winning combination.
the Black Monarch wrote:The only one with an unlocked multiplier costs $1000. Yeah, good luck with that.
AMD sells dual-core chips with unlocked multipliers for under $70, by the way.
the Black Monarch wrote:That's $100 that could have instead been spent on a better CPU, which actually would improve performance.
I doubt that anyone here makes their videos in HD. Exactly how many anime titles have been released on Blu-Ray?
Can we see some benchies showing the effects of 2 GB versus 4 GB when rendering an anime music video?
the Black Monarch wrote:Yeah. You should do the same.
Kariudo wrote:@Living flame: Yeah, I know trying to argue probably won't do much...but it gave me something to do
anubisx00 wrote:Ok, from what I can tell the Black Monarch is all about doing everything as cheap as possible. That's fine, especially if you are only doing this as a hobby. But a lot of the things I covered will benefit you if you want to get serious about video production/3d modeling. And it really doesn't cost that much to get a significant increase in performance too. It only gets grotesquely expensive if you enter the top tier of equipment. If you're all about cheap and only what benefits you this immediate moment, good for you I guess.
LivingFlame wrote:"Indeen"? I think you mean "Indeed."
But seriously, if you're going to comment on someone's spelling and grammar, make sure your own spelling and grammar are correct first.
Kariudo wrote:Fix't, and Multi-threaded isn't limited to two threads (though anything more than 1 is technically multi-threaded). For all you know, premiere (pro, perhaps elements now as well) might run 9001 threads
Kariudo wrote:But that doesn't mean that you can't get a 3GHz chip.
Kariudo wrote:While dual cores tend to be easier to overclock, this isn't a concrete rule (see core i7 920 &/or Q6600). The TDP for dual-core cpus isn't half of the TDP for quad-cores. The Phenom line, for example, has a TDP of 125W for the black edition quads and a TDP of 80-95W for comparable duals
Kariudo wrote:not so much....I guess it depends on your definition of grotesquely expensive...$280 for an i7 920 isn't bad, and you can get a decent msi or gigabyte board for under $200.
Kariudo wrote:Actually, the i7 920 beat out the best core2quads in rendering and video encoding...save for the QX9770 a few times (which is only $900 more than the i7 920 )
The comparably priced Q9450 manages to beat the i7 (though if your cpu is the primary factor here, you have bigger problems on your hands) in some games.
Kariudo wrote:Unlocked multi's are nice...but aren't everything in overclocking. The i7 920 can go from stock 2.66 to 3.8 whereas the 940 can go from 3.2 to 4.12. So much for that unlocked multi
Kariudo wrote:Oh, you mean like the Core i7 920?
But yeah, we've already had the ram argument before. 2GB ram is not gonna get you too far with programs like Maya and After Effects.
Kariudo wrote:Hooray for forum search? I don't know how many titles have been released on Blu-ray, but I know for a fact that both seasons of Gundam 00 have been/will be.
anubisx00 wrote:Ok, from what I can tell the Black Monarch is all about doing everything as cheap as possible.
milkmandan wrote:and seeing how the thread starter didn't mention at all that "i need to save money" or "i am trying to get the most out of very little" we are assuming price is NOT a factor for him and that he's got $50,000US sitting under his bed collecting dust.
You got 50,000 dollars to spend and piss on and wipe your butt, you come to a computer store to buy a CPU, you choose the 2.3Ghz Dual Core or you choose the 2.3Ghz Quad Core. Gee i duno man..i think i want my $1 chicken sandwich at mcdonalds, i better get the dual core. -_-.....
*i really hope you read the sarcasm in that*
the Black Monarch wrote:I heard elsewhere on the forum that it was 2, which was kinda the joke.
the Black Monarch wrote:If by "80-95W" you meant "65W", you'd be absolutely right.
(to your credit, there are some 80-95W Phenoms being sold with two cores disabled, but those aren't really dual-core chips for purposes here.)
the Black Monarch wrote:Congratulations on correcting yourself (earlier, you had said that they were only "sometimes" faster)
the Black Monarch wrote::shock:
Are you kidding? Is that 3.8 on air cooling, or something more elaborate? Either way, it's impressive. We can has sauce?
the Black Monarch wrote:Sauce?
the Black Monarch wrote:Oh, both seasons of Gundam 00, you say? Well, that clinches the whole argument right there!
the Black Monarch wrote:Well, I didn't see the phrase "4-way Xeon workstation" in the post, so I was guessing that the OP was planning on spending only a sane amount of money on the project. But you're right, it's much better to assume that everyone on the forum is a millionaire.
Kariudo wrote:side note: best list of blu-ray animu I've found so far
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