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Postby Akashio » Sat Jan 04, 2003 9:59 pm

What IS a dual processor? How do I get Pentium III Duel 1Ghz Processors?
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Postby Brolli411 » Sat Jan 04, 2003 11:07 pm

"dual processors" Mean's two processors. There are certain Motherboards, and usually more expensive ones, that have two or more processor slots. So in order to have a Dual processor, you must buy a new motherboard... Unless they now make some kind of external add-on or something like that, but I doubt it.
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Postby Mr Pilkington » Sat Jan 04, 2003 11:33 pm

Really Dual Processors won't actually give you what you expect. It's main function is to reduce the wear-'n-tear on the processors buy splitting the operations up into separate functions, and having each function performed by a different processor (alittle more in-depth than that, but I'm on a time limit here.) There fore you will see, AT MOST a 1 1/2 CPU time increase. So really unless U plan on torturing your system that much I would say don't even bother. Especially when dealing w/ Pentiums. P4 dual CPU motherboards run about $800 for a good one. And p3's are a pain in the ass. Also unless you are running Win 2k, or XP pro you won't be able to utilize both CPU's.
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Postby Brolli411 » Sat Jan 04, 2003 11:38 pm

Mr Pilkington wrote:Really Dual Processors won't actually give you what you expect. It's main function is to reduce the wear-'n-tear on the processors buy splitting the operations up into separate functions, and having each function performed by a different processor (alittle more in-depth than that, but I'm on a time limit here.) There fore you will see, AT MOST a 1 1/2 CPU time increase. So really unless U plan on torturing your system that much I would say don't even bother. Especially when dealing w/ Pentiums. P4 dual CPU motherboards run about $800 for a good one. And p3's are a pain in the ass. Also unless you are running Win 2k, or XP pro you won't be able to utilize both CPU's.


... And that's where overclocking comes in.
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Postby Mr Pilkington » Sun Jan 05, 2003 12:01 am

brolli411 wrote:... And that's where overclocking comes in.




Ah yes, but it is difficult to efficiently water cool multiple processors (trust me). One either takes in cold water and the other luke-warm, or one takes in room-temp, and the other hot (which defeats the purpose of water-cooling). Of course there is the option of refrigerating, but it's expensive and loud. Dipping (or submerging) is a pain in the ass, high maintenance, and only prescribed to serious OCers. And let's face it fans are wussy. Here is my suggestion: don’t do dual, it is a headache and take years of experience.
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Postby FurryCurry » Sun Jan 05, 2003 12:03 am

Dual procs actually CAN speed things up quite a bit, when you're using applications that support them. Premiere does, and it really shows sometimes during rendering.

Dual processor systems also feel more responsive when you have a lot of programs open at once, or during heavy processor usage.

It's quite possible to do stuff like web browsing, or CD burning while Vdub is doing some slow, nasty, takes forever filtering/encoding. The actual processing time may not actually speed up, (vdub is not multiprocessor aware in any way that I know of) but the second processor means that you have pretty much full use of your machine in the meantime, without jerkiness or bogging, thanks to the second proc being available. (memory & such allowing, of course)

I really love my Dual Athlon 1900+ system for that, in spite of its quirks.
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Postby Brolli411 » Sun Jan 05, 2003 12:04 am

*Shoves Computer into freezer* Problem solved :D
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Postby Mr Pilkington » Sun Jan 05, 2003 12:12 am

brolli411 wrote:*Shoves Computer into freezer* Problem solved :D



Actually if you want plans on how to build a refrigerated PC, I am putting some on my website as soon as it's completed. (PS: Freezing=bad. You want to cool down the temp not freeze! If you freeze it can, and will, thaw one day and the frozen fluids will fry everything.) I am also including a guide to dipping and how to build a dipping system for Complete and Total Idiots.
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Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Sun Jan 05, 2003 1:33 am

I've been using a dual PIII 1 GHz system for about 1-1/2 years and really don't have any problems with it. Actuall, I sometime do a lot of multi tasking encoding as it seems to help with the time it takes. Granted, having two processors does not get you twice the power, but even 20-50% is a help.... At present I don't intent to upgade since eveything works fine! (Why fix something that isn't boke....)

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Postby Akashio » Sun Jan 05, 2003 3:29 am

Mr Pilkington wrote:And p3's are a pain in the ass.


Why are PIII's a pain in the ass???
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Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Sun Jan 05, 2003 3:55 am

Akashio wrote:
Mr Pilkington wrote:And p3's are a pain in the ass.


Why are PIII's a pain in the ass???


Good question, I've had no trouble with them and video editing in general...

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Postby Knowname » Sun Jan 05, 2003 4:21 am

Akashio wrote:
Mr Pilkington wrote:And p3's are a pain in the ass.


Why are PIII's a pain in the ass???


think he means dual p3s since p3s (even p3 Xeons) aren't made for dual processing. p4s are made for dual processing (and btw they will never make a add on that can make your pc dual cuz the motherboard has to have a bunch of extra features to support it, it's impossible till they can make a pc on a chip)
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Postby klinky » Sun Jan 05, 2003 5:10 am

Knowname wrote:
Akashio wrote:
Mr Pilkington wrote:And p3's are a pain in the ass.


Why are PIII's a pain in the ass???


think he means dual p3s since p3s (even p3 Xeons) aren't made for dual processing. p4s are made for dual processing (and btw they will never make a add on that can make your pc dual cuz the motherboard has to have a bunch of extra features to support it, it's impossible till they can make a pc on a chip)



Errr uhh PIII is based off of PII core, which is based off the Pentium Pro core which had uber support for SMP. Not exactly sure where you guys are coming from with the PIII not being meant for dual processor.


http://2cpu.com/FAQ/2cpusmpfaq.html

Errr? Yeah :roll: :roll:


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Postby Mr Pilkington » Sun Jan 05, 2003 12:33 pm

Knowname wrote:
Akashio wrote:
Mr Pilkington wrote:And p3's are a pain in the ass.


Why are PIII's a pain in the ass???


think he means dual p3s since p3s (even p3 Xeons) aren't made for dual processing. p4s are made for dual processing (and btw they will never make a add on that can make your pc dual cuz the motherboard has to have a bunch of extra features to support it, it's impossible till they can make a pc on a chip)



1st off I never said that!

2nd how do you figure?

It's quite possible and fun to run a dual P3. As we all know the P3 was pretty much queen bitch of the universe. It had all the power you could slam in to a CPU or that size. Realistically the best Processor ever! But pain is the price of the CPU's and motherboard. As well as cooling. A majority of cases now a days are far too small to properly support the kind of air space needed for a dual P3 board. You have to do massive crinos case mods just to fit enough fans. The if you plan on doing a dual P3 really you shouldn't use anything less than RDRAM. So really with the current technology your better off with and MP system.
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Postby Brolli411 » Sun Jan 05, 2003 1:14 pm

Mr Pilkington wrote:It's quite possible and fun to run a dual P3. As we all know the P3 was pretty much queen bitch of the universe. It had all the power you could slam in to a CPU or that size. Realistically the best Processor ever! But pain is the price of the CPU's and motherboard. As well as cooling. A majority of cases now a days are far too small to properly support the kind of air space needed for a dual P3 board. You have to do massive crinos case mods just to fit enough fans. The if you plan on doing a dual P3 really you shouldn't use anything less than RDRAM. So really with the current technology your better off with and MP system.


I beg to differ, it all depends on what you are doing. If, say, you are running a server, I would have to go with the PII, for high trafficking kind of usage (That is unless I had some Xeon's or Athlon MP's available). If I'm not mistaken, the PII's have a higher Cache than the following models. And if you're using duel processors, the speed isn't going to be that bad.

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