geting a new hard disk. got some questions

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Postby Zero » Sat Jul 17, 2004 9:27 pm

oldwrench wrote:Your new drive should come with installation software, just follow the instructions and you should be ok.


It shouldn't. HD's don't need software because all the drivers and software required is in your BIOS system. As for re-installing XP, it's not required but it can be tricked into creating partitions for you. When you get to the "Install destination" screen, create two partitions of whatever size (Be sure to leave the buffer space) and format them. No sweat.

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Postby klinky » Thu Jul 22, 2004 7:50 am

Depending on when your motherboard was made, you might have a BIOS that can't handle a large drive. But that's doubtful. Most newer motherboards support drives larger than 137GB and the ones that don't support drives up to 137GB or may even have a BIOS upgrade available.

The BIOS doesn't exactly contain any drivers. It just contains information that describes the drive. Windows has support for most onboard IDE controller cards on the market. Your computer talks to the drive through the controller card/chip.

XP, might have a drive install wizard. I don't have XP, so if you want to try the wizard then do what Zero said. Otherwise you can go to Administrative Tools in your control panel. Then to Computer Management|Disk Management. You should see the new drive listed in there. Right click it and choose "Create Extended Partition". Have it use ALL the space on the drive. Once it's created the Extended Partition. Right click again and choose "Create Logical Drive". Set it up to use half the space and check the box for "quick format". Then repeat the process for te other partition. You should be set.

I don't know why your swap method projects would suddenly get scrambled? So long as you use an extended partition your drive letters shouldn't change.
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Postby Zero » Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:48 pm

klinky wrote:The BIOS doesn't exactly contain any drivers. It just contains information that describes the drive.
Not true. It scans the drive for whatever information is required by CMOS and then procides to transfer that info to whatever the OS is. So in essence, it has a driver in it, but not for what either of us were thinking of.

klinky wrote:Windows has support for most onboard IDE controller cards on the market.
Careful, that's an oxymoron. But I have yet to see a board made within the last year that doesn't contain on-board IDE. But that's for another day.

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Postby klinky » Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:44 am

Wrong!

First 'CMOS(complementary metal-oxide semiconductor)' is a way of creating digital circuits. CMOS on a computer is in refernece to a small amount of memory, usually powered by a batter, that holds configuration information from within the BIOS. This includes things such as HDD info, boot order, integrated component. It does not "require" anything.

The BIOS does allow for low-level access to the hard drive. The drive windows provides programmers with an easier way to access the drives as well as a way of fleshing out extended features of the controller card on the motherboard. Onboard motherboard manufactuers conform to the standard drivers included with windows for IDE access. However, things such as RAID controllers or add-in IDE controller cards do not. So you need to use a driver designed for them or else windows will not recognize them.

Most motherboard manufactuers decided that there was no point in making people use an extra controller when hard drives became a standard feature, so they moved that logic on to the board itself. That doesn't mean suddenly a driver is no longer needed.
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Postby klinky » Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:47 am

proof-read++ kids


Drivers provide programmers with an easier way to access the drives as well as a way of fleshing out extended features of the controller card.
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Postby LovEnPeaCE » Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:49 pm

Zero Serenity wrote:
oldwrench wrote:Your new drive should come with installation software, just follow the instructions and you should be ok.


It shouldn't. HD's don't need software because all the drivers and software required is in your BIOS system. As for re-installing XP, it's not required but it can be tricked into creating partitions for you. When you get to the "Install destination" screen, create two partitions of whatever size (Be sure to leave the buffer space) and format them. No sweat.

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actually, its just software to format the hdd(hard drives come unpartitioned)
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Postby Zero » Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:08 pm

If it comes with software, something's wrong with it or it's something for the consumer market. Since I buy everything corparate (HDs, OS's, Etc.) at work, they don't come with instructions or software. You're expected to know this stuff and use whatever tools you have for formating. (XP has one built in, I don't remeber if 98 did.)

Oh and Klinky, stop proving me right.

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Postby LovEnPeaCE » Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:53 am

keep in mind, not everybody here is like you and buys stuff the same way you do
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Postby klinky » Thu Jul 29, 2004 3:45 am

Zero Serenity wrote:If it comes with software, something's wrong with it or it's something for the consumer market. Since I buy everything corparate (HDs, OS's, Etc.) at work, they don't come with instructions or software. You're expected to know this stuff and use whatever tools you have for formating. (XP has one built in, I don't remeber if 98 did.)

Oh and Klinky, stop proving me right.

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OH OH? You buy... OEM components, you are such a big man! Big burly man, such a man you are buying OEM components... Oooh look at me shake in me wee little boots in front of the big burly man!!!

Dude you are full of BULLSHIT. Please shut up the stupidness that oozes from your body makes this entire website shake in disgust. Any post you've made that's been remotely technical you've shown just how screwed up your views on technology is. You have no grounding in any sort of fact. I think you make most of the shit you say up. It's just amazing. I loved your technical description of JPEG, "various levels of blurring". Oh wow, you are such a genius... Gah...

Please, you're polluting peoples minds here. People who may not know a lot but actually want to learn the facts about something and not some stinky piece of shit you pulled out of your ass.


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Postby SS5_Majin_Bebi » Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:44 am

oldwrench wrote:Your new drive should come with installation software, just follow the instructions and you should be ok. You don't need to reinstall xp. I don't know why you would want more than one partition if you only have one os.
If you want to, install the drive, start the computer, right click on the my computer icon and click on manage drives, right click on the new drive and use the format sys built into xp,


Since when do new hard drives come with installation software? :?
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Postby SS5_Majin_Bebi » Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:47 am

LovEnPeaCE wrote:
Zero Serenity wrote:
oldwrench wrote:Your new drive should come with installation software, just follow the instructions and you should be ok.


It shouldn't. HD's don't need software because all the drivers and software required is in your BIOS system. As for re-installing XP, it's not required but it can be tricked into creating partitions for you. When you get to the "Install destination" screen, create two partitions of whatever size (Be sure to leave the buffer space) and format them. No sweat.

-Zero


actually, its just software to format the hdd(hard drives come unpartitioned)


You dont get software of any kind with a hard drive unless you purchase it!! WTF is wrong with you people, making stupid assumptions like that? New hard drives are NOT like CD/DVD drives, they DON'T need drivers, because the BIOS contains everything it needs to identify and use the drive. All you have to do is fire up either fdisk ro that computer manager thing you get with XP, format the drive, then use Partition Magic or the partitioning tool you get with winXP, and go from there.

Now stop shitting on about software and drivers coming with hard drives, please, before I'm forced to bead you to death with a Commodore 64 tape drive.
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Postby Scintilla » Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:56 am

SS5_Majin_Bebi wrote:
oldwrench wrote:Your new drive should come with installation software, just follow the instructions and you should be ok. You don't need to reinstall xp. I don't know why you would want more than one partition if you only have one os.
If you want to, install the drive, start the computer, right click on the my computer icon and click on manage drives, right click on the new drive and use the format sys built into xp,

Since when do new hard drives come with installation software? :?

I don't know if it counts as "installation" software, but I know my WD80 came with a floppy with some utilities on it, including a partition program that I don't even remember whether I used or not (I probably just used Windows XP's partitioning utility).

Okay... just went across the room and pulled out my Western Digital Quick Install guide that came with the drive, and the disk was called "Data Lifeguard Tools"... but according to the guide, after physically installing the hard drive, you had to boot from this floppy and select "Install Drive" from its menu. Actually, that was probably where the partitioning happened.

I don't know, though, if it would have run fine if I'd just forgone the floppy and booted up Windows normally.
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Postby Zero » Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:52 pm

Do you have any idea how rediculus you sound? If you must flame me it's a sign of your weakness and insecurity. Child...

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Postby Zero » Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:55 pm

Speaking of which, define OEM.

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