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Postby the Black Monarch » Thu Jan 15, 2004 7:00 pm

Not just highly overclocked, but THE most overclocked Intel chip EVER.
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Postby dwchang » Sat Jan 17, 2004 1:40 pm

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dwchang wrote:And if the Athlon needed to be at 3.5 Ghz to perform well then...A) why are hundreds of thousands of people buying them and B) why do benchmarks and well anyone in the industry disagreeing with you. Maybe because you're wrong.


Or maybe because I didn't say just "perform well," I said "perform as well as the P4 that got overclocked to 5.25 GHz"

And if you can point me to a non-overclocked Opteron that can beat a 5.25ghz P4, I'd REALLY like to hear about it.

Again, grumble grumble bitch bitch and the like.


Main story on Slashdot found here:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/1 ... ad&tid=137

Most relevant comment found here:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=91015&cid=7840687

More noteably, Tom's Hardware took down the benchmarks where the Athlon-64 beat the P4 at 5.25 Ghz. This, obviously, brought about the argument about how Tom's Hardware is a bunch of Intel fanboys, but that's something that has been known for years.

Regardless, it's pretty dumb to be comparing a Pentium nearly doubled by overclocking to something that isn't. In fact, the liquid nitrogen cooling alone would cost more than just buying a dual-Opteron system (which I imagine would perform well). You're basically saying "Oh yeah! Well if I get this abnormally rare cooling solution, I own your consumer-level desktop! So there!"

You also don't reply or respond to anything else that you make broad generalizationd and assumptions about. Oh wait, you always do that! ;). Get some credible information or a degree specializing in said field...maybe then you'll say something relevant and come up with your arguments based on YOUR knowledge and not someone else's.
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Postby bum » Sun Jan 18, 2004 11:44 am

a p4 at 5.25ghz ? my god, seriosly. first of that thing would have required a shitload of cooling, including water cooling that uses nitrogen instead of water, a vantec cpu cooler case (which costs about $1000 itself, and its just a fansy case that cools the cpu, and nothing els) and it (the case) was probably filled with some ice cold liquid that resists electricity and isnt flamable, and whj knows what els. oh and, despite all that costing a shitload, id give that cpu a lifespan of 1month max. seriosly.

oh and, i ran a benchmark called testlab03 yesterday, and it turns out that an athlon1600xp actualy has the same FPU performance (floating point calculations, as in decimals, floading point is just a fansy pc tech word for them) as a p4 2.5ghz, which strangely enough my 2600xp beat the crap out of ([results]1600xp = 186 - p4 2.53 = 284 - 2600xp = 234)
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Postby dwchang » Sun Jan 18, 2004 5:23 pm

bum wrote:a p4 at 5.25ghz ? my god, seriosly. first of that thing would have required a shitload of cooling, including water cooling that uses nitrogen instead of water, a vantec cpu cooler case (which costs about $1000 itself, and its just a fansy case that cools the cpu, and nothing els) and it (the case) was probably filled with some ice cold liquid that resists electricity and isnt flamable, and whj knows what els. oh and, despite all that costing a shitload, id give that cpu a lifespan of 1month max. seriosly.

oh and, i ran a benchmark called testlab03 yesterday, and it turns out that an athlon1600xp actualy has the same FPU performance (floating point calculations, as in decimals, floading point is just a fansy pc tech word for them) as a p4 2.5ghz, which strangely enough my 2600xp beat the crap out of ([results]1600xp = 186 - p4 2.53 = 284 - 2600xp = 234)


I believe on the Tom's Hardware site, they list what the equipement they used. And yeah, it'd cost a pretty penny. It's pretty much a moot point to try and compare it to "normal" CPU's and cooling solutions (like TBM was trying to do).

I am actually a bit surprised that the FPU performance is that good, but still good news ;).
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Postby the Black Monarch » Mon Jan 19, 2004 1:31 am

dwchang wrote: Regardless, it's pretty dumb to be comparing a Pentium nearly doubled by overclocking to something that isn't.


Weren't you the first of us to do that? I only compared the 5ghz P4 to an extremely overclocked (3.5ghz) Athlon FX... you were the one who brought stock Opterons into the equation.

dwchang wrote:In fact, the liquid nitrogen cooling alone would cost more than just buying a dual-Opteron system (which I imagine would perform well).


Yeah, a simple copper pipe with a bit of foam taped to it would cost three thousand dollars. Sure.

dwchang wrote:You're basically saying "Oh yeah! Well if I get this abnormally rare cooling solution, I own your consumer-level desktop! So there!"


No... I said "This Intel user's abnormally rare cooling solution owns this AMD user's equally rare cooling solution in most cases". Then you said "Oh, yeah? Well, my consumer-level desktop owns your abnormally rare cooling solution in one or two benchmarks!" to which I am now replying "WTF do you mean by 'my' abnormally rare cooling solution? I don't have any liquid nitrogen. I don't even overclock! WAAAAAH mommy!"

dwchang wrote: You also don't reply or respond to anything else that you make broad generalizationd and assumptions about. Oh wait, you always do that! ;). Get some credible information or a degree specializing in said field...maybe then you'll say something relevant and come up with your arguments based on YOUR knowledge and not someone else's.


Again I have to ask what the hell you're talking about.
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Postby klinky » Mon Jan 19, 2004 2:00 am

Yeah, a simple copper pipe with a bit of foam taped to it would cost three thousand dollars. Sure.


Did you read the story, the copper pipe is custom made and needs to be so that it will fit properly on the CPU and withstand stuch cold temps.

Clock for clock and Athlon will still beat a Pentium4, but getting those clock speeds up is the problem with the Athlon. However the Athlon is the best value as of right now.
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Postby the Black Monarch » Mon Jan 19, 2004 2:23 am

klinky wrote:Clock for clock and Athlon will still beat a Pentium4, but getting those clock speeds up is the problem with the Athlon.


Uh oh, now dw is going to misconstrue that in the most twisted possible way and bitch at you. Be forewarned!
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Postby klinky » Mon Jan 19, 2004 2:27 am

Logically tho, the Athlon doesn't need uber fast clock speeds. Atleast in the consumer sector. It is also quite competetive in the server sector with the Athlon FX. So long as they stay the price/performance leader I don't think they'll have much problem. Like say maybe the fastest P4 is %10 faster than the Athlon is, but the Athlon costs like %40 less. Which is the better value? Yeah duh, and I'd think it more cost effective to get a farm of those %10 slower Athlons than pay the %40 markup on the pentium.
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Postby dwchang » Mon Jan 19, 2004 3:43 pm

the Black Monarch wrote:Weren't you the first of us to do that? I only compared the 5ghz P4 to an extremely overclocked (3.5ghz) Athlon FX... you were the one who brought stock Opterons into the equation.


Do you have a disorder that makes you not realize this thing called "time" and how it works?

Let's see: You made a post about the 5 Ghz overclocked P4 on:
14 Jan 2004 18:33

and I replied on:
15 Jan 2004 02:47

Wow, sure looks like you posted first. You can say all you want about me bringing up stock computers, but you comments comparing 5.25 Ghz parts to 3.25 Ghz parts is ridiculous and stupid since such processors don't exist to the consumer. You're just adding more bullshit to this thread like always...

The Black Retard wrote:Says some more stupid stuff and tries to make it seem like he knows something although all he does is read articles, make his own broad generalizations about things he doesn't know anything about and thus looks like an idiot.


The Black Retard wrote:Uh oh, now dw is going to misconstrue that in the most twisted possible way and bitch at you. Be forewarned!


No because A) Klinky is well-informed on such things, B) Klinky isn't unreasonable and actually listens before making judgements and C) he has more than half a brain.

Oh and let's not forget the fact he owned you *and* generally agrees with me on such things.

Now shut up and stop rocking the boat asshat!
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Postby the Black Monarch » Mon Jan 19, 2004 4:16 pm

dwchang wrote: Do you have a disorder that makes you not realize this thing called "time" and how it works?

Let's see: You made a post about the 5 Ghz overclocked P4 on:
14 Jan 2004 18:33

and I replied on:
15 Jan 2004 02:47

Wow, sure looks like you posted first.


And that has what to do with anything?

dwchang wrote:You can say all you want about me bringing up stock computers, but you comments comparing 5.25 Ghz parts to 3.25 Ghz parts is ridiculous and stupid


And of course your comparison of a 5.25 ghz part to a 2.0ghz or less part is so much more reasonable? (BTW, I never brought up the number 3.25, that was again your doing. I used 3.5, a much higher number)

dwchang wrote: since such processors don't exist to the consumer


But will in one or two years.

dwchang wrote:Oh and let's not forget the fact he owned you


Show me where and I'll believe that you're not making it up.
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Postby dwchang » Mon Jan 19, 2004 4:33 pm

the Black Monarch wrote:
dwchang wrote: Do you have a disorder that makes you not realize this thing called "time" and how it works?

Let's see: You made a post about the 5 Ghz overclocked P4 on:
14 Jan 2004 18:33

and I replied on:
15 Jan 2004 02:47

Wow, sure looks like you posted first.


And that has what to do with anything?


OK so you have a temporal disorder AND ADD. *YOU* accused me of bringing this up first when in fact you did...

the Black Monarch wrote:And of course your comparison of a 5.25 ghz part to a 2.0ghz or less part is so much more reasonable? (BTW, I never brought up the number 3.25, that was again your doing. I used 3.5, a much higher number)


No, I was making the point that if a 2.0 Ghz part can beat it in some benchmarks and is comprable in others, one can make the logical assumption (as Klinky did) that since a 2.0 Ghz solution can do so well, it must be more efficient *and* a 5.0 Ghz solution would be amazing. Mhz to Mhz, the Athlon solution is much more efficient and cost-effective. I guess it was too much for me to assume you'd have half a brain and could actually formulate such obviously apparent theories with such things as logic and reason.

I was also making the point that you're basically saying "OMG if you have this really rare and almost impossible-to-get-for-consumers part, it pwns normal things! OMG I AM SO COOL AND SMART!"

Except, you're not.

the Black Monarch wrote:But will in one or two years.


Says who? Do you know anything about transistor theory? Have you ever designed a processor or understand the intricacies of one? Are you an expert in this field or a designer on such teams?

I'm guessing the answer is no to all of these questions. One year? Ha! Have you even looked at the roadmaps? Stop trying to look like you know what you're talking about.

dwchang wrote:Oh and let's not forget the fact he owned you


Show me where and I'll believe that you're not making it up.[/quote]
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... 0&start=20

Looks pretty owned to me. He destroys your statement by questioning your ability to read and then furthers the argument against you which you later do not retort.

Now SHUT THE FUCK UP! You bring nothing useful to any conversation and everyone here is mocking you. You're just a troll and you've always been that way. Don't you see it? No one cares.
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Postby Corran » Mon Jan 19, 2004 5:06 pm

the Black Monarch = Daniel Wang ????

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Postby Corran » Mon Jan 19, 2004 7:39 pm

Corran Productions wrote:the Black Monarch = Daniel Wang ????

:shock: :lol: :roll:


Sorry, that was rather rude of me to both of the users... :(
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Postby jonmartensen » Mon Jan 19, 2004 8:33 pm

Corran Productions wrote:
Corran Productions wrote:the Black Monarch = Daniel Wang ????

:shock: :lol: :roll:


Sorry, that was rather rude of me to both of the users... :(


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Postby Corran » Mon Jan 19, 2004 9:02 pm

Nice Hot or Not pic. I prefer the one of deadly giant cat though.
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