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Postby SephirothJenova » Tue Jan 06, 2004 3:45 pm

I was wondering if I could somehow network my new and old computers together so I would have an easier time transfering files. Also, I think that I'm able to share my cable modem connection this way without a router. I don't want to take my old computer's HD out of it and transfer all the files from it by putting it into my new computer. There has to be a way by just wires and such. Any sites with pictures and step by step processes would be much appreciated.

Oh, my old computer is running on Windows 98 and my new one is on Windows XP. Is that going to be a factor in the networking?

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Postby klinky » Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:42 pm

If you want to share your modem between both, you'll need three network cards & two cables. One needs to be what's called a 'cross-over' cable. This is normally used to hook two hubs together, but it can also be used in a hubless network between two computers.

The other cable would goto your modem...

I would have two network cards in your XP box then connect the cross-over cable to your Win98 box. Hook the modem up to the XP box with the other cable(you probably already have this cable hooked up at the moment).

Once you've verified that both computers are connected to each other(double click My Network Places(XP) or Network Neighborhood(98), then hit Entire Network. Look for both computers listed there) and you've made sure the internet works. Open up the Control Panel on the XP machine, goto your Network Connections, then right click on your cable modem connection, choose properties & hit the 'Sharing' tab. There should be a checkbox to share the internet connection. Reboot both computers and you should be good to go.


There may be some differences, such as if your cable modem hooks up via a USB cable instead of a network card. If that was the case, you wouldn't need two network cards in the computer, which may be helpful if you're afraid of opening your box up.

Also you probably want to make sure that both computers have unique names and are in the same workgroup.

XP:

Right click My Computer, hit properties, Identifcation tab, hit properties.

98:

Right click Network Neighborhood, hit properties, identification tab...


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Postby SephirothJenova » Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:16 pm

I tried it with a USB post, but it says that I need a the driver for it. I can't find the CD for it so that's out of the option for right now. Also this computer (Windows 98) doesn't have Network Neighborhood anymore for some reason. Would I have to reinstall it back from Windows 98 Second Edition CD or is there a download link from Microsoft somewhere?

Thanks for the response klinky. I thought everyone was ignoring me. I'll be indebted to you forever if I can make this thing work.

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Postby madmag9999 » Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:37 pm

i wouldnt sugest doing it the way klinky said. i tired it and it didnt work for me my networker friend said it works from time to time on diff computers. i suggest u get a 4 port router thats the same one i have costs $30 and works great. then ull need 3 cross over cables u prolly alreayd have one going from your modem to your comp. so take the modem and connect it to the wan line in the router then take the other 2 cross over cables and connect them to port 1 and 2 in the router and then to the comp's. then the software part is the same as klinky said. the router is a little more then a networking card but it will definitly work. like i said i tried the 3 card way and it wouldnt work for me i had some of my friends try to help and couldnt becouse the comp only recognized one card at a time. and about network naiborhood i think u would have to reinstall it from the windows cd im not to sure about that.
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Postby klinky » Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:06 pm

Seriously :roll: .

Using a box as a router is common practice. A single computer with two NICs is used all the time for ICS/ipchains internet sharing on a network. His situation is just different since he will not be using a hub.

If you disconnect all your network devices then network neighboorhood will disappear. If you have a network device in your computer then it should show back up on your desktop. If it doesn't, maybe getting TweakUI will help you re-enable it. I believe there are other ways to get to it via the start-menu/my computer, but I am not sure anymore since I haven't used '98 in a long time.

Routers require a hub, unless you're getting a hub/router combo, which if the router portion goes out on you or doesn't work the way you want it to, you'll have to get a new router anyways. >_> <_< Something like that. Plus it's $30.

What kind of modem do you have? Look on the bottom of it, should be a model #. Goto the website of the modem maker and you can get the USB drivers... That way.

If you can do that you may not have to buy another NIC at all, you'd just enable sharing on your modem connection. The modem should show up as a standard network connection when hooked up via usb...


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Postby madmag9999 » Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:13 pm

u dont need a hub for a 4port router i dont have a hub and my router dont have a hub and it works. maybe u can get a network working with 3 cards but i couldnt for some reason. i would argue more but im sick and dizzy so im just gone leave it at that do what u want SephirothJenova.
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Postby SephirothJenova » Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:29 pm

Wow, actual conversation on one of my topics. So surprised! I'm going to try out klinky's way first, so that I won't have to spend an entire $30 for a router and stuff, just the money to buy another NIC. My new computer hasn't arrived yet and I would actually have to install the NIC first. Thanks for your help guys and I'll post again to tell which method worked for me.

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Postby Corran » Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:39 pm

madmag9999 wrote:u dont need a hub for a 4port router i dont have a hub and my router dont have a hub and it works. maybe u can get a network working with 3 cards but i couldnt for some reason. i would argue more but im sick and dizzy so im just gone leave it at that do what u want SephirothJenova.



A four port router is basically a 4 port switch combined with a router. You can get them separatly.

Besides, 1 crossover cat5 cable and 2 nics is still cheaper than 2 cat5 cables, 2 nics and a router/switch.

What Klinky is describing will work, a few of my friends have done it before. The only problem is that when he wants to use the internet on the Win98 machine, the XP machine will also have to be up and running.
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Postby SephirothJenova » Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:23 pm

I tried downloading the USB driver for the cable modem, but it didn't work. Would I have to burn it to a CD for it to work or something? Or should I just call up my cable provider (Charter Communications) to have them send me a driver disc?

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Postby klinky » Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:27 pm

Who made your modem? And what's the model # ?
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Postby DJ_Izumi » Mon Jan 12, 2004 7:41 pm

Crossover cables, the coolest thing you can make using only a steak knife and masking tape.
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Postby Corran » Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:00 pm

I'm sure it looks weird...

I imagine there would be crosstalk, reflection, and loss doing it that way too :?


Though I doubt you would really notice it much on a short cable.
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Postby madbunny » Thu Feb 05, 2004 1:19 am

Thre other options:

1) You could go OLD school and get a null modem cable. Then you just run a cable from one computer to another (the printer ports if I remember correctly) get some free software and you are on your way, for about 5 bucks. It's slow as hell though.

2) You can do the same thing with USB ports, get kit and there you go.

3) Lots and lots of floppy disks.

Realisticly, just go get a 4 port router, it'll act like a firewall for a cable or dsl modem, and you can hook up extra stuff, like other peoples computers for a lan party. You can even get wireless versions for not too much more these days, and skip most of the wires.
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Postby godix » Thu Feb 05, 2004 2:17 am

Incidently, one aspect I notice no one else touched on, check with your internet provider to make sure two computers are allowed on the internet. Some companies falt out deny it, others charge more for it, and some don't care either way. If it's one of the first two then use klinkys method and a proxy software (so the ISP won't detect two different IPs accessing the internet) and if it's the later then stick with a hub, a router is serious overkill for two computers and klinkys method works but can get a bit confusing if you have problems remembering which network connection leads to the other computer and which leads to the cable modem.

If I lost you with some of these terms I recommend <a href="http://computer.howstuffworks.com/home-network.htm">howstuffworks</a>. That should give you a decent overview of what we're talking about without throwing a bunch of useless (from a practical standpoint) info about collision detection, packets, etc.

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