Oh - for crying out loud !!! 120gig won't format . . .

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Postby Kracus » Thu Jun 26, 2003 9:15 am

I don't think the OS has anything to do with your problem (I'd say maxtor just cause I don't like them, but anyway...) My friend uses 98 SE and he has a 120 and 40 or 60 gig in his comp and they ran fine.
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Postby paizuri » Thu Jun 26, 2003 10:49 am

There's an fdisk bug that limits the partition sizes using FAT16 and FAT32 file systems (like Win95 and Win98). I forget what the limits are, but if you have a drive over 64 GB you won't be able to use fdisk to partition the entire thing.

If you bought the retail version of the hard disk (as opposed to an OEM version), it should've come with a disk from the manufacturer that has proprietary software which you can use to partition the drive to its full capacity.
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Postby fonque » Fri Aug 15, 2003 10:41 am

FAT16 limit 32gig
FAT32 limit 137gig

If you are on WIN 98 SE you should not be running into any limit problems with a 120 gig drive.

If Fdisk gives your problems, have your tried not using fdisk and just let the windows installacion cd do the formatting for you. Thats what i did and it worked fine. But obviously if you do it that way you will end up with one big 120 gig partition.

I would do it that way and then see if you can get your hands on a copy of partition magic. It is a much better program to use than fdisk. mostly cuz it can write partitions on the fly while windows is running.
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Postby NicholasDWolfwood » Fri Aug 15, 2003 1:42 pm

fonque wrote:FAT16 limit 32gig
FAT32 limit 137gig

If you are on WIN 98 SE you should not be running into any limit problems with a 120 gig drive.

If Fdisk gives your problems, have your tried not using fdisk and just let the windows installacion cd do the formatting for you. Thats what i did and it worked fine. But obviously if you do it that way you will end up with one big 120 gig partition.

I would do it that way and then see if you can get your hands on a copy of partition magic. It is a much better program to use than fdisk. mostly cuz it can write partitions on the fly while windows is running.


That 137GB limit also goes for NTFS unless you have 48bit LBA enabled (XP SP1/2K SP2)
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Postby fonque » Fri Aug 15, 2003 2:08 pm

you mean NTFS me thinks

NTFS5 (XP,2K and NT with SP4 i think) does not have that limit
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Postby FurryCurry » Fri Aug 15, 2003 3:04 pm

No, the 137 gig limit is a function of the amount of space that can be addressed by the ATA spec. (up to ATA100)
To address more than 137 Gb requires a motherboard with a controller or a PCI ATA133 card that meets the ATA133 spec, which is actually an unofficial extension of the ATA spec that includes support for 48 bit addressing, as Nick stated.
Serial ATA also supports supersized drives.

Also note that you need to have the service packs Nick noted installed for it to work in XP/2K.

IIRC, NTFS itself can support up to 4 terabytes of space.

On to the question at hand, a 2500 should be plenty fast enough not to have any lag issues playing demanding XviD or Divx files under 2K or XP, so I'd think it is most likely a codec problem or a soundcard driver problem.

I think that board you have has onboard sound. If it does, the first thing I'd suggest is removing your soundcard, and try out the onboard. The 2k/XP drivers for your soundcard might suck.

Then, get yourself a recent build of the Xvid codec from koepi or nic, Divx 5's latest version, and see how that works.

I'm now sold on XP as the best/most stable version of windows to use, though I was a suspicious 2K holdout for quite a while.
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Postby fonque » Fri Aug 15, 2003 4:29 pm

i stand corrected
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Postby post-it » Fri Aug 15, 2003 6:46 pm

paizuri wrote:If you bought the retail version of the hard disk (as opposed to an OEM version), it should've come with a disk from the manufacturer that has proprietary software which you can use to partition the drive to its full capacity.


bummer! . . are these Disc's available on-line . maybe ?
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ummm . no; I'm not being old-fashioned here ( I can do soo much more under Win98 1st Edition than I can with the newer Operating Systems - not sure why !! )
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Postby FurryCurry » Fri Aug 15, 2003 7:45 pm

The diagnostic/utility software you need should be downloadable from the website of the manufacturer of your HD. usually, it comes as a file that makes a floppy disc image, as those programs almost always have to be run from a floppy you boot from.

If you really can't hang with 2K/XP, I firmly believe that 98se is the best of the old versions, but I'd say it's a mistake to go that retro at this point.

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Postby dokidoki » Fri Aug 15, 2003 8:52 pm

I had a similar problem. I believe I used Free FDISK.
http://www.23cc.com/free-fdisk/
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Postby post-it » Sat Aug 30, 2003 5:16 pm

well - this was unexpected; got it to format all 122 gig's under Win98 1st Edition
and its a Speedy Demon ^_______^

It was not Win98 nor the Hard Drive - it was the Bios T_T

I retro-graded to an older version of the Bios for this Board and it works fine
-but even Winguard doesn't know why their standard Factory Bios should be
interfering with something as trivial as Win98's Fdisk !?

Now that I have the older Bios installed, I also loaded WinME and Win2k:
Win2k had a 44% Speed increase
WinME has a 63% Speed increase - I'll stick with ME for now ^_^
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Sat Aug 30, 2003 5:18 pm

exactly how are you measuring those speed increases????

44% of what?!
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Postby post-it » Sat Aug 30, 2003 5:25 pm

I have an older LightWave Rendering program and it times the construction of its builds plus lets you know how well your computer did when it rendered the file.

The Models and Scene's take a lot of time to build and I have recorded these speeds in the Book that came with the program.

This test is fairly accurate for Processing and Hard Drive testing - well, to me it is 8)
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Sat Aug 30, 2003 5:27 pm

uhuh

(/me sticks to SiSoft Sandra)
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Postby post-it » Sat Aug 30, 2003 5:40 pm

downloading SANDRA Standard 2002.68.97 from Cnet - what should I look for ?
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