Is Win7 better (for us amv-editors) than Win XP?

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Is Win7 better (for us amv-editors) than Win XP?

Postby Bauzi » Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:18 pm

Hey there,

*sigh*... That was just a day where I thought: Real DirectX 10 would be handy or even this new DirectX 11. It would make some things smoother. So I tried a workaround for XP to use DX10 (yes it really works), but that wasn't really effective. So maybe it's time to get a new operating system? Maybe... I just know that Vista blows. I really don't want to give the OS a big part of my RAM, CPU etc. for some eye candy.

However... there is this new Win7. That might be usefull! At least I heard some good things about it, but let's listen to what amv editors have to say about it, because when it comes down to it: My laptop is mainly for watching videos, playing emulators, some games, but in general for amv editing.

Does the usual amv work on a WinXP machine work as good on a Win7 machine? Tools, etc.

At leat I know two advantages of Win7:
-Premiere Pro and AE in x64
-DirectX 10 and 11 (ok that's not really amv related...)

What do you think? Is a switch usefull? For god's sake: XP is almost a decade old!!! :|
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Re: Is Win7 better (for us amv-editors) than Win XP?

Postby mirkosp » Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:25 pm

There's a thread similar to this in the donator's forum, and from that thread it turns out that win7 is an awesome editing machine, or so it seems. As for directX 11, you do need a gpu that supports them, too, so that's not just OS related.
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Re: Is Win7 better (for us amv-editors) than Win XP?

Postby Bauzi » Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:30 pm

mirkosp wrote:There's a thread similar to this in the donator's forum, and from that thread it turns out that win7 is an awesome editing machine, or so it seems. As for directX 11, you do need a gpu that supports them, too, so that's not just OS related.

My graphic card is quite new (Nvidia 9800M GT) so I think it supports it. If not: Whatever. There is still improvement with DX10.

Eh... this Windows 7 is quite expensive. Meh. What were the advantages of a Win Pro version? I never really got the difference :|
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Re: Is Win7 better (for us amv-editors) than Win XP?

Postby Pwolf » Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:51 pm

directx10 or even 11 wont help with editing. all its good for is gaming. There are no direct x video cards out anyway...

I've been using the 64bit Windows 7 RC at work for months now and it's so stable i haven't moved to the RTM (we have a site license already for the final version). I've done some limited video work on it with no problems tho. But really for editing the main thing you need to concern yourself with is hardware and stability. More RAM is great but you need a 64bit OS to use more then 4gb properly. I loath vista with a passion for it's UI and security but I really don't know how stable it is. XP 64bit is horrible. So if I was going to choose a 64bit windows OS, i would go with Windows 7. It's stable, it's fast, and it just works.

If you are worried about price, and you're in college, you can get a copy of Windows 7 Home or Pro for $30:

here's a chart of the different versions and what they offer. The main reasons I would get Pro are because I want to be able to RDP into my computer from work and also Windows XP mode for what ever reason I might need it.
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Re: Is Win7 better (for us amv-editors) than Win XP?

Postby Pwolf » Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:54 pm

Pwolf wrote:There are no direct x 11 video cards out anyway...


fixed >.>
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Re: Is Win7 better (for us amv-editors) than Win XP?

Postby Bauzi » Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:03 pm

Pwolf wrote:
Pwolf wrote:There are no direct x 11 video cards out anyway...


fixed >.>

Oh seriously? Eh... I don't get how some people already could work with it so far. :|

directx10 or even 11 wont help with editing. all its good for is gaming. There are no direct x video cards out anyway...

I know, but thx for pointing out ;)
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Re: Is Win7 better (for us amv-editors) than Win XP?

Postby Kariudo » Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:06 pm

Pwolf wrote:
Pwolf wrote:There are no direct x 11 video cards out anyway...


fixed >.>

the ATI HD5870 supports DX11, still doesn't matter for editing though
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Re: Is Win7 better (for us amv-editors) than Win XP?

Postby Pwolf » Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:08 pm

i didn't realize the $30 offer was only for US students, sorry.
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Re: Is Win7 better (for us amv-editors) than Win XP?

Postby Pwolf » Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:09 pm

Kariudo wrote:
Pwolf wrote:
Pwolf wrote:There are no direct x 11 video cards out anyway...


fixed >.>

the ATI HD5870 supports DX11, still doesn't matter for editing though


mah bad, i'm a little behind i guess...
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Re: Is Win7 better (for us amv-editors) than Win XP?

Postby NeoQuixotic » Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:13 pm

Is Windows 7 better? Yes! Vista is better than XP too. Vista wasn't bad, people just had a freak out when a whole bunch of things changed. Windows 7 IS Vista. Vista was version 6.0, Win 7 is 6.1. And let's not even get into the many possible ways it could be called the 7th version. As for the higher system requirements, people need to cry some more. Any OS that has had a major upgrade has always become more system intensive due to the higher end hardware available. Basically, since computers get faster, why not add more features and functionality with the new power available? So yeah, Vista sucks on an 6 year old computer, NO DUH! Now Vista was a bit resource hungry then it should of been, but with SP2, it really isn't that bad. If the logic of every OS should be more efficient than the last, then Vista/Win 7 should use less resources than Windows 3.1! When Apple released OS X, people whined and moaned of how slow and bloated it was compared to OS 9. Yes optimization can occur, that is what Win 7 basically is (the same with Snow Leopard). Windows 7 is not a major change of the underlying OS, it's just a tweaking with some added new features. And when you run into issues with applications and drivers, it's generally not the operating system's fault, blame the creators of the apps and drivers for not making it compatible. Microsoft changed a lot of things to make things work better and more secure than XP ever did, but most companies haven't transitioned well due to laziness. Yeah, UAC is annoying, but you can tweak it or turn it off completely if you really don't want it. Most programs ask for administrator rights even when they really don't need them. If developers would start coding their software to work in standard user mode you would never even see a UAC prompt. I do find the UAC prompts for file deletion and moving a bit much though, then again I tweak it, which is easily done. Generally, UAC and security software like an anti-virus is a last line of defense anyways. All that really matters is being aware of what you are doing and using common sense.

Will Windows 7 make your computing experience amazing? No. So if XP is working fine for you on your laptop, then stick with it. I find that when a new version of Windows comes out, it's probably time to buy a new computer too. Although, think about upgrading to Windows 7 if your laptop is recent, like the last 2-3 years. However, upgrading laptops can be a bit of a pain if the manufactuer doesn't supply compatible drivers and some of the custom software laptops sometimes use. Upgrading on a desktop is generally easier, but then again upgrading can be annoying overall hence why I suggest just get a new computer all together.
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Re: Is Win7 better (for us amv-editors) than Win XP?

Postby Pwolf » Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:31 am

NeoQuixotic wrote:vista stuff...


If you want to get technical, vista is windows 7 in a sense. the original Windows 7 was meant to be the successor to XP but while they were trying to work through shit they built vista. i've heard a lot of good things and a lot of bad things. There are many people that use it and don't have a problem with it. I've had nothing but headaches from it and would rather let my users rot in hell then try to fix a problem. An hour after using a fresh install of Windows 7, I was in love. I haven't had to tweak anything and have left most of the settings stock for the last couple of months since i've been using the RC. I work in IT and I try to make my arguments based on that point of view in which case vista is horrible for me. I've spent more time trying to get around vista's UAC and driver problems then actually fixing the problem itself. Granted driver issues are manufacturer dependent it some regards and it has improved over the years. But, it's annoying and it's frustrating. Vista's hardware requirements are also annoying. The organizations i've worked for have a 5 year desktop computer replacement cycle which isn't uncommon. Vista having high hardware reqs doesn't sit well with that. If it can't run on 5 year old hardware, then why the hell should we push it. On top of that, you have to train users on the new interface and layouts. Tweaking the OS takes time and training that would best be spent on helping users with existing issues in XP then getting new ones (and old ones) in Vista. The bottom line is that Vista has real issues that are too cumbersome to deal with. Windows 7 runs great on our older hardware, it runs faster then XP on the newer hardware and it's way more friendly out of the box and we don't have to "tweak" anything. The average users doesn't know how to tweak anything. And as mentioned earlier, for editing I believe its a great OS since you get stability and speed. You can't get that with XP 64bit and at this point, moving to Vista 64bit would be stupid.
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Re: Is Win7 better (for us amv-editors) than Win XP?

Postby AaronAMV » Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:33 am

Pwolf wrote:
NeoQuixotic wrote:vista stuff...


If you want to get technical, vista is windows 7 in a sense. the original Windows 7 was meant to be the successor to XP but while they were trying to work through shit they built vista. i've heard a lot of good things and a lot of bad things. There are many people that use it and don't have a problem with it. I've had nothing but headaches from it and would rather let my users rot in hell then try to fix a problem. An hour after using a fresh install of Windows 7, I was in love. I haven't had to tweak anything and have left most of the settings stock for the last couple of months since i've been using the RC. I work in IT and I try to make my arguments based on that point of view in which case vista is horrible for me. I've spent more time trying to get around vista's UAC and driver problems then actually fixing the problem itself. Granted driver issues are manufacturer dependent it some regards and it has improved over the years. But, it's annoying and it's frustrating. Vista's hardware requirements are also annoying. The organizations i've worked for have a 5 year desktop computer replacement cycle which isn't uncommon. Vista having high hardware reqs doesn't sit well with that. If it can't run on 5 year old hardware, then why the hell should we push it. On top of that, you have to train users on the new interface and layouts. Tweaking the OS takes time and training that would best be spent on helping users with existing issues in XP then getting new ones (and old ones) in Vista. The bottom line is that Vista has real issues that are too cumbersome to deal with. Windows 7 runs great on our older hardware, it runs faster then XP on the newer hardware and it's way more friendly out of the box and we don't have to "tweak" anything. The average users doesn't know how to tweak anything. And as mentioned earlier, for editing I believe its a great OS since you get stability and speed. You can't get that with XP 64bit and at this point, moving to Vista 64bit would be stupid.

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Re: Is Win7 better (for us amv-editors) than Win XP?

Postby NeoQuixotic » Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:05 am

Well, rolling Vista out on 5 year old hardware in a corporate situation is retarded. Whoever made that decision should be fired. The issues can really come down to a case by case basis, like particular hardware/software. Of course, the same thing can be said about Snow Leopard with some people having massive issues. And the same when XP came out :P. Anytime a new OS comes out there are going to be headaches upgrading. Of course, this is why I generally don't recommend upgrading immediately. Of course not everyone can afford to buy a new machine, but then again, do they really need the new OS that urgently anyways? I do agree that Vista is a bit more resource heavy than needed, but it did get better. I at first didn't like Vista, just due to it being different. But after using it I grew to like it and found it to perform faster than XP did, in terms of system responsiveness. Of course I'm running a quad core and 4-8Gb of RAM, but if you have recent hardware it runs better than XP.

As for the tweaking, the only thing I ever tweaked was putting UAC in silent mode (which takes a few seconds and a reboot). I did the same to UAC on Windows 7 because its still over zealous even on its minimal setting. Other than that, I can't really think of anything else major I changed. The rest would be customization, which everyone does with whatever OS they use. Now I don't know if deploying and managing Vista in a corporate situation is a lot more difficult that XP was (like updates, profiles, etc). Yeah, training a whole ton of people on it sucks. Office 2007 also is a headache because of it being so different. But then again, I like to point out that anytime something new and very different comes out, it poses an issue with upgrading. This is a definite issue for large deployments, but we're talking about a single home user.

I'm mainly sick of the people who bash Vista without having used it once. And the people who bash it because they don't like the look of it (oh no, change makes me scared LOL). If someone doesn't like Vista due to it being different, then apparently they're going to be afraid of Windows 7 too. I'm fine if someone doesn't like it because they have issues with it. I agree that there can be issues with it. But if someone hasn't even used it, then please shut up. Now I won't recommend Vista with Windows 7 out, but I personally would rather use Vista over XP if those were my two choices. XP just looks and feels antiquated now.

And I'm not a Microsoft fanboy; I like Macs just as much. In case anyone was wondering.
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Re: Is Win7 better (for us amv-editors) than Win XP?

Postby CodeZTM » Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:25 am

I could sing of my Windows 7 love forever....

If you have XP, there's really no need to upgrade, because with exceptions to interface and a few minor things, Windows 7 IS XP. If you have vista, upgrade to Windows 7, because Windows 7 is such a safe haven compared to vista, and because pretty much everything is going to become Windows 7 compatible and leave Vista/XP in the dust.

But hey, my machine at work still has XP, and I have ZERO intention of upgrading it until I absolutely have to or my technical adviser makes me. Same with office suite. 2007 can rot in hell for changing a good thing that was office 2003. And I DO know how to use 2007 before I get the haet raeg mail in. I took a summer seminar that my boss paid for since I work at a newspaper, and we had to get training.
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Re: Is Win7 better (for us amv-editors) than Win XP?

Postby Bauzi » Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:52 pm

Basically, since computers get faster, why not add more features and functionality with the new power available?

Do I need more? Do I need harddisc encryption? No I'm pleased as it is.

For me: A good OS works more efficient with less hardware needs or stays on a good level. 1GB RAM for the OS only isn't reasonable.

I'm aware that Win 7 is more or less an update (just like .NET 3.0) and how Vista should have been in the first place. My hardware is fine. My laptop is just half a year old and has good hardware specs.


I believe it's just time to switch. Vista was a pain in the ass for me. It even made me forgive the bluescreens and various annoying errors in XP x64. My itention to upgrade is to get a better x64 OS and DirectX10/11. There are no x64 applications of Premiere Pro and After Effects for XP. Call me stupid, but... I have a dual core, I want x64 and I want x64-applications even if the gains are not that big.


tweaks... I bet the first things I disable are UAC and the grafic fx. I don't really need the eye-candy and would like to stick to my visual style. It's simpel, but sexy :3


I dislike Office 2007 for it's design and being different (ever programmed stuff for Office 2007 in c#? I just say: namespaces lolololol). I love OpenOffice for being a very good freeware alternative.
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