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Can you get anime from iTunes?

Postby xPiikanyaa » Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:19 am

I know it's not a good idea to download footage for your AMVs, but I need to use clips from an anime which I don't particularly LIKE, to tell you the truth. Which is the reason I don't want to get the DVDs. Anyway, can you get anime from iTunes? I only need one episode, or even just an opening sequence.
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Re: Can you get anime from iTunes?

Postby Qyot27 » Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:46 pm

iTunes carries some series, but to use it requires one of two scenarios:
1) By far the best circumstance, is that the episodes are in iTunes Plus format, so there isn't any DRM on them. FFmpegSource will open these without any issues.

2) You're NOT running the newest version of iTunes (or possibly even many of the minor versions prior to the switch from iTunes 8 to iTunes 9, I can't remember which particular minor version the cutoff occurred on), because the decryption software doesn't work with it yet, and you'll be SOL.

The idea behind 'no downloaded footage' is based on fansubs and RAWs, which are both problematic for legal reasons, not legit storefronts like iTunes. However, like the compromised-quality reputation of fansubs (which is another reason for the rule, yes, but not the most important reason), the quality of most video download stores like iTunes or Amazon will not be comparable at all to a DVD copy (although the HD trailers on the Quicktime site, and presumably HD purchases from the iTunes Store, are a big exception to that rule - they still won't compare to Blu-ray, though).

In iTunes' case, even though they use H.264, the featureset that Apple uses is pretty crippled, and even at that would be easily outperformed by other encoders operating at the same featureset - this means that it's going to have some rather visible problems (again, exempting the HD stuff, as downscaling them virtually eradicates that issue).
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Re: Can you get anime from iTunes?

Postby xPiikanyaa » Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:22 am

The idea behind 'no downloaded footage' is based on fansubs and RAWs, which are both problematic for legal reasons, not legit storefronts like iTunes. However, like the compromised-quality reputation of fansubs (which is another reason for the rule, yes, but not the most important reason), the quality of most video download stores like iTunes or Amazon will not be comparable at all to a DVD copy (although the HD trailers on the Quicktime site, and presumably HD purchases from the iTunes Store, are a big exception to that rule - they still won't compare to Blu-ray, though).

In iTunes' case, even though they use H.264, the featureset that Apple uses is pretty crippled, and even at that would be easily outperformed by other encoders operating at the same featureset - this means that it's going to have some rather visible problems (again, exempting the HD stuff, as downscaling them virtually eradicates that issue).

So, basically you're saying that iTunes DOES have some anime, but the quality isn't that great????
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Re: Can you get anime from iTunes?

Postby Kariudo » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:32 am

DarkPhoenix22 wrote:
The idea behind 'no downloaded footage' is based on fansubs and RAWs, which are both problematic for legal reasons, not legit storefronts like iTunes. However, like the compromised-quality reputation of fansubs (which is another reason for the rule, yes, but not the most important reason), the quality of most video download stores like iTunes or Amazon will not be comparable at all to a DVD copy (although the HD trailers on the Quicktime site, and presumably HD purchases from the iTunes Store, are a big exception to that rule - they still won't compare to Blu-ray, though).

In iTunes' case, even though they use H.264, the featureset that Apple uses is pretty crippled, and even at that would be easily outperformed by other encoders operating at the same featureset - this means that it's going to have some rather visible problems (again, exempting the HD stuff, as downscaling them virtually eradicates that issue).

So, basically you're saying that iTunes DOES have some anime, but the quality isn't that great????

yep, that's the gist what Qyot is saying
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Re: Can you get anime from iTunes?

Postby Qyot27 » Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:27 pm

With the big disclaimer: if you can even get at the videos at all, whether because they aren't encrypted or you're working on an old enough version of iTunes that the available solutions to decrypt video purchases still work.
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Re: Can you get anime from iTunes?

Postby Daniel_BMS » Sun Sep 27, 2009 1:26 am

Have you tried Netflix?
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Re: Can you get anime from iTunes?

Postby xPiikanyaa » Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:15 am

Daniel_BMS wrote:Have you tried Netflix?

What's Netflix?
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Re: Can you get anime from iTunes?

Postby Scintilla » Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:11 am

I always thought Greencine had better selection when it came to animé?
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Re: Can you get anime from iTunes?

Postby Daniel_BMS » Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:31 pm

You haven't heard of http://www.netflix.com ?! Well I haven't heard of Green Cine. Thank you Scintilla.

I admire your idea to make AMVS with graphic novels.
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Re: Can you get anime from iTunes?

Postby xPiikanyaa » Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:33 pm

Scintilla wrote:I always thought Greencine had better selection when it came to animé?

Daniel_BMS wrote:You haven't heard of http://www.netflix.com ?! Well I haven't heard of Green Cine. Thank you Scintilla.

I admire your idea to make AMVS with graphic novels.


I haven't heard of either of those... I'll be sure to check them out sometime. =]
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Re: Can you get anime from iTunes?

Postby Castor Troy » Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:27 pm

Um, I think the topic creator lives in England where he can't have access to netflix or greencine. :?
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Re: Can you get anime from iTunes?

Postby xPiikanyaa » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:03 pm

Castor Troy wrote:Um, I think the topic creator lives in England where he can't have access to netflix or greencine. :?

That's right :) (And just to tell you, I'm a girl.)
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Re: Can you get anime from iTunes?

Postby gotenks794 » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:43 pm

Qyot27 wrote:
2) You're NOT running the newest version of iTunes (or possibly even many of the minor versions prior to the switch from iTunes 8 to iTunes 9, I can't remember which particular minor version the cutoff occurred on), because the decryption software doesn't work with it yet, and you'll be SOL.



There are always ways. The easiest of which (but perhaps worst quality way) being screen recording.
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Re: Can you get anime from iTunes?

Postby xPiikanyaa » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:26 am

gotenks794 wrote:
Qyot27 wrote:
2) You're NOT running the newest version of iTunes (or possibly even many of the minor versions prior to the switch from iTunes 8 to iTunes 9, I can't remember which particular minor version the cutoff occurred on), because the decryption software doesn't work with it yet, and you'll be SOL.



There are always ways. The easiest of which (but perhaps worst quality way) being screen recording.

Can I ask what the best screen recording program is???
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Re: Can you get anime from iTunes?

Postby Qyot27 » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:51 am

gotenks794 wrote:There are always ways. The easiest of which (but perhaps worst quality way) being screen recording.

The easiest is actually decryption, but you just have to be aware of version numbers and not blindly update iTunes. Screen recording shouldn't ever even enter into the picture in the first place, which is why I didn't mention it - the biggest problem with it being that such software relies on having enough resources to spare to run both it AND the playback software. And considering how crappy Quicktime's H.264 decoder is, that's a tall order. If you're not running a system newer than say, 3 or 4 years, you are out of luck to do that well.

Decryption, on the other hand, will work fine even if you're sitting on a 7 or 8 year old system - because that process doesn't require decoding the stream, and after it's over you can use libavcodec-based solutions (ffdshow, VLC, mplayer) or CoreAVC to handle the decoding, which are both worlds faster and more complete than Quicktime's H.264 decoder.
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