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Don't edit using Xvid!

Postby KholdStare88 » Fri May 02, 2008 7:50 pm

Okay, so what do we edit with, H.264? </joke>

Seriously here, I've been hearing about don't use Xvid all my life, but what else should we do? I tried to convert one single episode to uncompressed RGB mode. Tough luck, because I just got a 24 GB episode to edit with... In a regular 13 episode series, this would take...312 GB to edit one series? Then I get Huffyuv codec and tried that. It was a bit better, cranking out 12 GB episodes. It still doesn't seem right. For a 13 episode series, this would mean 156 GB of disk space to edit one series. For series such as Cardcaptor Sakura, I would have to have 840 GB of free disk space? This just doesn't add up.

So my question is, I get it, don't edit using Xvid. However, what is the next best alternative that doesn't require terabytes of memory? Am I doing something wrong with the conversions? (I'm using VirtualDub.) I've read most of the guides, but it's very possible that I missed one that addresses this problem. If any of you have any advice, then please feel free to post. If not, then I will have to edit using Xvid, :( and we all know that's bad!
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Postby Pwolf » Fri May 02, 2008 7:59 pm

avisynth over mpeg2 vobs

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Postby LivingFlame » Fri May 02, 2008 8:01 pm

The answer here is to not convert entire episodes. If you don't want to edit with .avs files, then plan your AMV beforehand and pull the specific clips you need out of the episodes as Huffyuv or Lagarith. You don't have to plan every single clip up front, but have a good idea what you're going to do. If you discover you need another clip you hadn't planned on, just go back into Vdub and convert that clip to a lossless format.
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Postby JaddziaDax » Fri May 02, 2008 8:29 pm

Lossless lagarith encoded avi CLIPS with the audio disabled...
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Postby JaddziaDax » Fri May 02, 2008 8:30 pm

or huffyuv if lagarith gives you issues :3
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Postby Altrouge » Fri May 02, 2008 10:59 pm

JaddziaDax wrote:Lossless lagarith encoded avi CLIPS with the audio disabled...


Yup, that's the way to go. Lagarith works with my Vegas perfectly ^.^
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Postby KholdStare88 » Fri May 02, 2008 11:34 pm

Ah, so lagarith is a codec? What's the average size encoded with lagarith per episode?

Thanks for the quick responses by the way.

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Sorry, but since I'm a newbie, I have no clue what this means. Can you please explain? :wink:
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Postby LivingFlame » Sat May 03, 2008 12:11 am

I believe he was suggesting using the .avs files that AviSynth makes in your editing program. The ability to do that would depend on what program you're using to edit though.

And Lagarith has smaller file sizes than Huffyuv (not sure by how much), but it will take longer to encode.
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Postby The Origonal Head Hunter » Sat May 03, 2008 12:23 am

KholdStare88 wrote:Ah, so lagarith is a codec? What's the average size encoded with lagarith per episode?


perhaps instead of encoding entire episodes, you should just make small individual clips.
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Postby Altrouge » Sat May 03, 2008 7:00 am

The Origonal Head Hunter wrote:
KholdStare88 wrote:Ah, so lagarith is a codec? What's the average size encoded with lagarith per episode?


perhaps instead of encoding entire episodes, you should just make small individual clips.


Oh, sorry, that's what I meant. 2~3 second clips come out at, like, 20~40 megs for me, so I don't think I'd want to encode whole episodes XD
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Postby JaddziaDax » Sat May 03, 2008 11:53 am

lossless files (uncompressed, Huffyuv, Lagarith) are going to be large, which is why you would want to save file space by disabling the audio.

Uncompressed will be the largest, then Huffyuv next, then Lagarith.

Ways to disable the audio:

In virtualdub mod:
Streams -> Streams List -> Disable Stream

In Avisynth:
killaudio()
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you might want to plan your video out more, and take clips instead of trying to rip the whole thing, unless you have a sizable hd or your computer can handle source files on an external (like mine)
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Postby requiett » Sat May 03, 2008 8:10 pm

LivingFlame wrote: plan your AMV beforehand and pull the specific clips you need out of the episodes as Huffyuv or Lagarith

I did it for years. Takes a lot of prep-work, but it's the best non-AVS way to do it.
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Postby Vivaldi » Sat May 03, 2008 10:49 pm

From my experiece, lagarith is about 2/5 the size of uncompressed, and about 1/2 the size of huffy. So... around 6 gigs per episode? However you should cut clips as people say. That'll save alot of space either way, no sense in searching through your entire episodes while in the editor. |:
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Postby Vivaldi » Sat May 03, 2008 10:56 pm

Just checked, just under 3 megs per second for lagarith. (slightly higher than I estimated)
However, it was briefly mentioned, but you [i] can import you avs files directly into your editor in order to save space. But this will slow things down quite a bit (especially if you have a slow computer, expect alot of pre-renderings :wink: ), so make sure you've commented out all your filters before you attempt this.
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Postby KholdStare88 » Sat May 03, 2008 11:14 pm

Yay, many replies that cleared many things up. So this is what I got so far:

1) If you're planning on using lossless codecs, then you're going to need way too much hard disk space, period.

2) Plan first and convert a little bit at a time.

So that's pretty much all I needed to know. I am planning right now, kinda, but since I'm editing something that requires 70 episodes, this is going to be tough. My final question is:

You guys are talking about "avs scripts" and putting it directly into your editor? What's the avs-way to do it? Can you create an Avisynth file then import that into Premiere? How would it work, assuming that you wouldn't have to convert everything into lagarith? This is a long shot, but you probably can't use avs scripts in WMM, right? :D
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