What is the best video editor for editing anime?

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What is the best video editor for editing anime?

Postby Raharu Haruha » Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:57 pm

I've had serious problems with editing on adobe premiere and WMM. i want a new video editing device! preferably something that works well with DivX and Xvid compression.

what are your opinions, thoughts, suggestions?
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Postby NS » Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:41 pm

Good luck finding something that works well with divx and Xvid.

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Postby The Origonal Head Hunter » Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:52 pm

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Postby Ileia » Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:15 pm

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Postby Raharu Haruha » Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:13 am

NerdStrudel wrote:Good luck finding something that works well with divx and Xvid.

Banner this thread now plz :O
la sigh. why and how are animes made? there has to be something that works with it. if there's not, then the mere existence of anime is an anomaly which could only be described as a vertical line. that's right, i went there. i divided by zero, oh-shi

anyways, there's seriously nothing that works with it? and everything is it? telling me what i know isn't going to help me -.- you could have rudely said that i should recompress all the files and u would have been more helpful.

or, here's a nice question. why does it seem that i can load these files into wmm, but soon as i put them into the timeline it crashes? da fuck?
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Postby Kariudo » Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:38 am

uhh...you do know that anime isn't encoded exclusively with divx/xvid right?
if you get anime off of dvd's (like a lot of people here do) it's encoded as mpeg-2

you can work with divx and xvid footage, but just because you can doesn't mean you should. Working with footage encoded with divx or xvid is probably the best way to make sure that your video will de-sync on your final encode and look bad.
You also run the risk of loosing all your work (which has happened to at least a few people)

WMM probably crashes because your clips or eps start with a b-frame.
basically the frame is saying, "look at the frames ahead of me and behind me to get all of my information"
since this is the first frame...there is no previous frame to get information from
this causes a host of problems.

in premiere, you can try to import aivsynth scripts to get around this problem, but you'll probably be out of luck as soon as you start making clips (or making more clips out of your clips)

in vegas I believe you can change the fourCC to dx50 and be able to import the footage...but there is at least one case documented here where someone lost 13 hours of work because he was too stubborn to listen to our advice

if you want to edit this footage [reliably], you will have to re-encode...there is no way around it.
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Postby JaddziaDax » Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:17 am

The Origonal Head Hunter wrote:Image

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Postby The Origonal Head Hunter » Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:40 pm

la sigh. why and how are animes made? there has to be something that works with it. if there's not, then the mere existence of anime is an anomaly which could only be described as a vertical line.[/quote]

not all of us download our anime.
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Postby Jake Furlong » Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:55 pm

Oh, I wanted to make a new thread asking about various video editors and such, but since this one is here, I might just look for answers in it...

Here goes:

I just finished my first video, edited using Premiere Pro. I had to learn it as I was editing, a world of pain, I tell you... Noobish mistakes that I shouldn't have made, a lot of wasted time, you know, the works. In the end everything came together well though and any faults my clip has are due to my lack of experience most likely.

What I need to know now is:

- Before I get into Premiere Pro too deep, are there any other editing programs outhere that could be considered "better" than it? Or is "better" just a matter of POV?

- During the making of the video I stumbled upon a few nasty spots. A major issue was that I needed to cut out of a scene some parts and integrate them in another. Masking/rotoscoping/whatevayoumightcallit - Premiere gave me an extremely hard time with it. Meaning that I eventually had to cut out each frame in Photoshop and redo the animation frame by frame on the timeline. The problem comes from my Shop skills (or lack of them to be more exact). I would much rather be using some tracking/field editing in the video editor itself, than go with Photoshop, even if I have to reconstruct the animation frame by frame as well...
Now, I have received advice telling me to move my ass and learn how to shoop, since it will do me a world of good later on. However, I must know first: can such compositing be done by avoiding Photoshop/image editing programs?

- After Effects. Can it be used by itself as an video editor? I heard that "it's not as flexible as Premiere" when it comes to editing, however "it's worlds apart when it comes to effects". What does Premiere have in the editing department that AE doesn't have?

Thanks in advance and hope to get some answers soon...
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Postby Kariudo » Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:15 pm

how good a program is depends on your personal style and experience

rotoscoping can be done with other programs. Personally, I use AE for this.
I think the biggest advantage of rotoscoping in AE as opposed to photoshop is that you don't have to import each frame, then export every frame, and then import it into another program.

you can edit with AE, but you will find it a bit different than premiere. The biggest thing is that you can only really hear the audio when you do a ram preview...which makes syncing a lot harder.
You don't have to worry about number of layers in AE...but it can become cumbersome to work between 50 different layers where in premiere it would be something more like 4 layers

there are other pros/cons between premiere and AE, but I think that those are the major ones...once again it comes down to your style and preferences
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Postby ffxdean » Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:10 pm

are there any other editing programs outhere that could be considered "better" than it? Or is "better" just a matter of POV?


As mentioned it all comes down to personal taste. Although I would prefer Ulead Video Studio 11 Plus and Magix 12 Pro for a few reasons:

1. Its extreamly easy to use and learn.
2. It has most features compared to Premiere CS3 (cropping, additional timelines, reverse, masking etc and heaps heaps more effects compared to premiere)
3. Its about 95% Cheaper than premiere. (Magix Pro 12: $49US, Ulead VS11 $89US and Adobe Premiere CS3 $700+US)

Although there are still things lacking compared to premiere (although i doubt you would notice or care) for instance Premiere has unlimited timelines but Ulead Video Studio has only 10 (not saying that its not enough but its an example) and Magix it has unlimited timelines although you can only undo 30x where as Premiere (and Ulead) is unlimted.
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Postby post-it » Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:51 pm

.. something that works well with DivX and Xvid compression .. nothing but the older versions Virtual Dub are designed for those two codec's and even they have to reconstruct the Damage those two codec's do to avi's.
.. the best answer is any Editor designed before 2002 might handle Divx/xviD but I wouldn't count on it because only AiST products were designed for those codec's and AiST is off the market. ( unavailable now )
.. Divx and Xvid are old worn-out horse shoes -- not good for anything any more.
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Postby Jake Furlong » Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:59 pm

ffxdean wrote:As mentioned it all comes down to personal taste. Although I would prefer Ulead Video Studio 11 Plus and Magix 12 Pro for a few reasons:

1. Its extreamly easy to use and learn.
2. It has most features compared to Premiere CS3 (cropping, additional timelines, reverse, masking etc and heaps heaps more effects compared to premiere)
3. Its about 95% Cheaper than premiere. (Magix Pro 12: $49US, Ulead VS11 $89US and Adobe Premiere CS3 $700+US)

Although there are still things lacking compared to premiere (although i doubt you would notice or care) for instance Premiere has unlimited timelines but Ulead Video Studio has only 10 (not saying that its not enough but its an example) and Magix it has unlimited timelines although you can only undo 30x where as Premiere (and Ulead) is unlimted.


Thanks, that's insightful. The thing is, i might need a hell of a lot more than 10 tracks for the video I'm starting to work right now. But since you say that Magix has unlimited timelines, it might be a good choice (don't really care about the 30 undo's max, since I rarely feel the need to undo that much). However, just as an example, I recently tried to sync a drum loop from an anime on a drum loop sound from a song. I tried reversing, slowing or speeding up, cutting, nothing worked just as I expected. So i said "Screw all this" and I rebuilt the entire animation sequence frame by frame so it would suit my needs. Now, do you have the same editing flexibility in Magix? Can you speed up/slow down/reverse speed as easy as you do in Premiere? Also, when you do such operations, do they come out ok? I asked around and some friends told me to steer clear of Ulead's speed slowing feature, since it makes the frames all jerky and stuff. Is this true?

Just as a note, for the time being I'm not that interested in effects. Only good old editing and syncing. I'm trying to make an absolutely no-effects vid and there are a lot of places where I'll be recreating sequences frame by frame, just like I did with that drum loop.
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Postby Jake Furlong » Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:03 pm

damn... srry, couldn't find the "edit" button.

I also wanted to ask for some more features that one program has/the other doesn't, stuff like that. Is there anywhere some sort of side-by-side comparison of various software?
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