Minority Report Color Correction/Cinematography??

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Minority Report Color Correction/Cinematography??

Postby y2kwizard » Sat Dec 28, 2002 11:45 pm

Hello all.

I was just watching Minority Report, and I noticed that it has extremely awesome color correction. It's absolutely amazing. I'm sure there are other movies with this sort of thing, but Minority Report immediately came to mind.

My question is this: how high end are the tools that did the color correction in Minority Report? Could one do it with Premiere? After Effects? Final Cut Pro? Or was it a much higher-end tool that did this?

And, if anyone has the time, could you explain how you'd go about such a deed as copying Minority Report's color correction? Thanks a lot!
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Postby klinky » Sat Dec 28, 2002 11:52 pm

What exactly do you mean?

Does the DVD calibrate itself to your TV or something ?


Does the DVD look better then the FILM ?


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Postby y2kwizard » Sat Dec 28, 2002 11:56 pm

I'm terribly sorry. I didn't state the question clearly.

I am really asking if the actual cinematography could be recreated with off-the-shelf software such as After Effects or Premiere or FCP. The actual combination of filters and color correction to create the cool-looking effects the movie gives.

For instance, blue, white, or greenish tints are used constantly throughout the film. BLurs and glows enhance the effect. I'm wondering about the cinematography itself. It has nothing to do with hardware or software...

Sorry for being unclear. This is probably STILL unclear, but I hope I give you a better idea of my question. BAH! I hate not being articulate!
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Postby klinky » Sun Dec 29, 2002 12:00 am

I am going to take a stab in suggesting REALLY GOOD CAMERAS x_X & lighting specialist...


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Postby trythil » Sun Dec 29, 2002 12:02 am

There's no reason why you _couldn't_ do such a thing with off-the-shelf software. Nearly any video editing package worth its salt has something to do color correction with. Combined with blending modes (e.g. normal, additive, subtractive, etc) you can get some very interesting effects.

The hard part is getting the effect just right.

Insofar as color tweaking goes, the package I use does both HSV (hue, saturation, value) tweaks, RGB tweaks, and direct tweaking of luma + chroma values via a YUV filter (which, obviously, works best with YUV footage...) I'm using all of those extensively for my current project.

I'm sure that other packages do the same, and probably more.
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Postby klinky » Sun Dec 29, 2002 12:23 am

Just keep in mind that a $500 DV camera is never going to look as good as a ten thousand dollar film camera ^_^


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Postby y2kwizard » Sun Dec 29, 2002 12:40 am

trythil wrote:Insofar as color tweaking goes, the package I use does both HSV (hue, saturation, value) tweaks, RGB tweaks, and direct tweaking of luma + chroma values via a YUV filter (which, obviously, works best with YUV footage...) I'm using all of those extensively for my current project.


Just out of curiosity, which package do you use?

Klinky wrote:Just keep in mind that a $500 DV camera is never going to look as good as a ten thousand dollar film camera ^_^


Oh, yeah, I've known this for a while. My camera looks like crap compared to others. I was just wondering if you could use off the shelf software with a ten thousand dollar camera, in theory, to make approximately the same effects. And, yes, I'm sure that if you have the budget for a 10,000 dollar film camera, you're going to have the money for a full-blown professional suite. But I was just wondering in theory how good the off-the-shelf stuff is.

I'm using AE and Premiere right now, by the way.
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Postby NicholasDWolfwood » Sun Dec 29, 2002 12:45 am

It's most likely one of the programs made by Heroine Virtual Ltd., a software company that makes open-source programs for Linux.

(Don't ask, I'm going to be using Linux for all my video editing work minus using my shitty MPEG Trigun files)
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Postby y2kwizard » Sun Dec 29, 2002 1:41 am

How does Heroine's stuff compare to Premiere, AE? Anyone have a clue?
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Postby Mechaman » Sun Dec 29, 2002 2:54 am

My question is this: how high end are the tools that did the color correction in Minority Report?


Er.

This is the sort of question that ends with writing a check larger than most people's college educations.

The closest you can get with prosumer software is probably Combustion2 or Film Gimp.

Off-the-shelf studio-level tools are usually Inferno, Flint, and others. Generally running on Avid or SGI hardware.

Heroine claims that Cinelerra supports 8, 10, and 16-bit YUV(Film Gimp does, which is what you need to be able to do film-level support--anything less is not even remotely considered). I've not seen anything that really matches discreet's keying/color abilities yet.
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Postby klinky » Sun Dec 29, 2002 3:20 am

Here's hoping that the SGI/Avid versions of Combustion2 are l33ter then the Windows version ^_^;; I tellz ya.



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Postby Mechaman » Sun Dec 29, 2002 3:52 am

?

Combustion is only for consumer-level hardware; x86 and Macintosh, which are starting to outnumber the Avids in smaller studios. It's already been used for professional television work(the combustion project for the SportsCenter and MLB titles in use on TV right now was shown off to me a few months ago), how much l33ter do you want it?
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Postby klinky » Sun Dec 29, 2002 4:56 am

Yes, wait you're right ^_^;;; Agg, mis-read your post there.

Anyways. I've had some troubles with Combustion2..

Main program window can only be maximized or minimized. No variable window sizes.

It likes to crash randomly ^_^ Not sure why, maybe it's my n00bness.

Somethings like list boxes, if you click on a item, it chooses the item above it...

It's also SLOW :\ Alot like After Effects. They're both clunky and slow to me.

I've used the Particle effects to create some stars for my bumper... Which was pretty l33t.

Anyways, those are the main problems with it. I am sure if I knew what I was doing I could do l33ter things with it.


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Postby trythil » Sun Dec 29, 2002 5:01 am

Cinelerra will do 16-bit RGB, RGBA, YUV, and YUVA. Unfortunately, it has a tendency to break from release to release; I'm hoping that that'll get fixed soon.

Film Gimp is pretty good, and it's already been used in major motion pictures, like Harry Potter, Scooby-Doo, and Stuart Little 2.

Also: I'm not sure if the original poster was talking about achieving the quality as seen in films, or the process that such color tweaks would have been done by. They're two very different things.
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Postby trythil » Sun Dec 29, 2002 5:04 am

Oh yeah, and Film Gimp operates in 16-bit linear/floating-point RGB, not YUV. Unless there's a YUV patch floating around that I'm not aware of.
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