Ripping without DeCSS (NGE) ^^

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Ripping without DeCSS (NGE) ^^

Postby Aetherfukz » Tue Nov 19, 2002 11:25 am

Wow! I'm just ripping the second Evangelion DVD (I didn't start with the first one ^^) and I have just noticed that there isn't a CSS key on the disc. Weird, cause I never saw a DVD without CSS. But hey, my DVD-ROM is ripping the thing with 10x speed, where when there is DeCSS needed, it's only 2x speed.

Well, I just thought to mention this, because I have never seen it before.
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Postby Aetherfukz » Tue Nov 19, 2002 11:43 am

Hmm... strange, seems to be just the second disc. Now ripping the third one, and it sure has CSS keys...
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ADV not using CSS?

Postby Ashyukun » Tue Nov 19, 2002 12:52 pm

I noticed the same thing on my BGC 2040 discs- SmartRipper says it didn't find any encryption and proceeds to rip the data at full speed (which admittedly sucks, because my DVD-ROM is ancient). Given both series were released by ADV, maybe they just aren't bothering with the CSS on their releases. Can't say this would wholly surprise me, especially given Eva, since there are already countless fansubs available.
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Postby Aetherfukz » Tue Nov 19, 2002 2:11 pm

Yep. I've ripped up to the 5th DVD now, and just the second had no CSS. Maybe they just forgot..! And I was so happy ripping with full speed :?
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Postby trythil » Tue Nov 19, 2002 2:38 pm

There's nothing that says that a DVD has to be encrypted. ADV stated at AWA 2001 (I think that's where it was, anyway) that they refuse to use CSS, if their licensors will let them.
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Tue Nov 19, 2002 4:21 pm

ADV stated at AWA 2001 (I think that's where it was, anyway) that they refuse to use CSS, if their licensors will let them.


good for them, its a worthless cause anyway :P
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Postby ErMaC » Tue Nov 19, 2002 6:56 pm

Probably what happened is the earlier Authoring house wasn't using CSS. The first and second discs were both done by a different authoring house before ADV changed to their current authoring house. Disc 1 was later remastered, so disc 2 is the only one that remains from the first authoring house. That is likely why it has no CSS while the others do.

There are various anime discs which don't have CSS. For example, the first Magic Knight Rayearth boxset didn't have them, as well as several other Media Blasters discs.
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Postby NicholasDWolfwood » Tue Nov 19, 2002 9:06 pm

What is DSS, and how do you benefit from not having CSS on a DVD when ripping it? (I'm stupid when it comes to DVD ripping terms)
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Postby klinky » Tue Nov 19, 2002 9:45 pm

http://sanyolaserproducts.com/dvd/glossary.htm

CSS:
Content scrambling system, a type of Digital copy protection sanctioned by the DVD Forum.



I makes encoding slower since you have to decrypt the data first rather then just being able to copy it.


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Postby klinky » Tue Nov 19, 2002 9:47 pm

I meant RIPPING, not encoding >_<


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Postby RadicalEd0 » Tue Nov 19, 2002 9:58 pm

not to mention if you rip it without descrambling it it looks pretty fucked up :shock: I did so once with a tenchi dvd :]
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Postby Aetherfukz » Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:14 am

Hmm... well CSS isn't the worst thing ever. I mean, I don't really care if I rip with 10x or only 2x, it never takes much more than 10 minutes anyway. But what's making me matters is converting the avs files into MJPEGs. Today, when I got up (real late :roll: ) I started the PC, and let VirtualDub convert 3 DVDs when I'm at work. But the estimated time was about 4 hours per DVD, so horrible 12 hours! That mean, the conversion won't even be finished when I come home :|
So, is it normal to take so long for encoding? I thought that the MJPEG codec is really fast...
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Postby trythil » Wed Nov 20, 2002 7:46 am

Aetherfukz wrote:Hmm... well CSS isn't the worst thing ever. I mean, I don't really care if I rip with 10x or only 2x, it never takes much more than 10 minutes anyway.


Some of us oppose CSS on principle. When people use a proprietary encryption system to protect data, ignore the fact that every professional cryptographer says that it's crap, and then hide behind the law instead of their encryption algorithms...it's not only pathetic, but it's kinda scary.
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Postby Aetherfukz » Wed Nov 20, 2002 7:49 am

I didn't meant it that way. What I was trying to say, is that CSS sure isn't an almost-uncrackable encryption like PGP or something. So this is a pretty good thing for us AMV makers, for when they would use some high-end cypher, we had to go back to fansubs (well... would they exist then...?)
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Postby Ashyukun » Wed Nov 20, 2002 8:34 am

Fansubs would still exist- they just might not be of as high a quality as some these days. It'll be a while before the 'analog hole' is plugged- even if a nearly uncrackable encryption was applied to the digital data on the discs (which is somewhat hard to believe, as it has to be playable on any DVD player, and therefore would eventually be extracted and exploited), you could still hook up the output (RCA or S-Vid) of your DVD player to an analog capture card. Plus, from my understanding LDs are still more common in Japan than here. I believe a reasonable amount of fansubbing is done analog with overlay cards to add the subtitles anyway, so as long as they don't make Macrovision harder to bypass, traditional fansubs should be fairly safe.
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