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Anamorphic encoding test

Postby ChristianHJW » Fri Aug 01, 2003 5:03 pm

http://corecodec.com/modules.php?op=mod ... =2267#2267

I am sorry about the fact that you have to register to vote, but the admins didnt like the idea to open the poll to visitors only ..... but even if you dont vote, it still may be interesting to make up your mind about how to make your next encoding ;) ....
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Postby klinky » Fri Aug 01, 2003 5:31 pm

Uh oh : O another Matroska pimp :shock:
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Postby NicholasDWolfwood » Fri Aug 01, 2003 6:48 pm

Actually, he's one of the programmers for Matroska I believe. :D
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Postby Tab. » Fri Aug 01, 2003 11:01 pm

christian I think followed a link in my sig at Doom9 and signed up here to provide info about matroska. Which is A-OK as far as I'm concerned, the amv world is too afraid of new formats. Jbone still kicks ass for releasing his hentai amv as a mp4, forcing people to get some ISO parser.
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Postby ChristianHJW » Sat Aug 02, 2003 6:00 am

klinky wrote:Uh oh : O another Matroska pimp :shock:


Please show me any other container where AR correction is actually working, and i transfer it into this format, just to please you ;) .....

NicholasDWolfwood wrote:Actually, he's one of the programmers for Matroska I believe. :D


I cant program, sorry, i am just a crazy matroska pimper, a real evul person, people say i eat OGM movies for breakfast just to make suer there is one less in this world :D ....
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Postby ChristianHJW » Sat Aug 02, 2003 6:10 am

Tab. wrote:christian I think followed a link in my sig at Doom9 and signed up here to provide info about matroska. Which is A-OK as far as I'm concerned, the amv world is too afraid of new formats.


Correct. My main idea is to find out what our potential users expect from the container, so i go to various places in regular periods and make a search on matroska' and 'mkv' too see if their are any questions about using the container, opinions or even problems.

If i am not welcome here, np, i wont post anymore, i certainly have enough other things to do. As for the post above, IMHO most anime video could be improved a lot by using anamorphic encoding, you guys may want to give it a try....

Jbone still kicks ass for releasing his hentai amv as a mp4, forcing people to get some ISO parser.


MP4 ? How does he include subs ? hardsubs ? hardsubs suck IMHO, sorry .....
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Postby klinky » Sat Aug 02, 2003 6:24 am

:P Oh I was kidding about the pimping. Tab started up on it first.

I think what AMV creators want is 1)Compatibility 2)Ease of use.

Currently that's already covered with AVI.

The only thing I could think of that would improve apon what we already have would be the ability to properly store VBR MP3s. But that's not that big of a issue since the space savings aren't that great(no ones going to care if it's 62MB or 60MB; unless on a modem).

Also quite a few people in this area are realative n00bs and they like anime and music and are not into experimentation. Especially if it's not supported by default.

So, hey man, you're welcome here. But ;) don't exert yourself too much :p
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Postby Tab. » Sat Aug 02, 2003 3:29 pm

ChristianHJW wrote:MP4 ? How does he include subs ? hardsubs ? hardsubs suck IMHO, sorry .....


Well amv's are just chopped up badly edited footage of anime, so usually subs aren't included :shock:
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Postby ChristianHJW » Tue Aug 05, 2003 12:58 pm

FYI : we had a big release

@ Tab. : While RM muxing is working fine in mkvmerge, RMVB is b0rked ;) .....
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Postby ErMaC » Tue Aug 05, 2003 7:47 pm

Asking my viewers to install DivX is already pushing what I want them to do. For instance, I don't ditsribute videos in XviD encodes unless they're DivX5 playback compatible - I'm not going to make my viewers install FFDShow. The fact is most of them probably already have DivX5.

... but none of them are going to have Matroska. Until the container gets support in the default windows install, or 90% of my viewerbase already has it installed, I'm not touching it with a 10 foot pole for online distribution.

Those are the hard facts. I don't care how wonderful the container format is, it can't be worse than AVI, but aside from the codec download at least I know my videos will work out of the box. And that's what's most important to me.

So as much as I appreciate the fact that you care a lot about your container format, this isn't the place to pimp it.
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Postby Tab. » Tue Aug 05, 2003 7:57 pm

ChristianHJW wrote:FYI : we had a big release

@ Tab. : While RM muxing is working fine in mkvmerge, RMVB is b0rked ;) .....


I was thinking about switching over to MMG and HPG in my RM info thread, and telling people to use the new matroska installer instead of my thrown together rm and mkv splitter/muxer installer. Although, will the new MKV installer be updated when gabset releases new RM splitters and new MKV splitters/muxers? :O

Ermac :? installing MKV is no different from installing DivX (except mkv won't install GAIN for the full package :/ ). By your logic you may as well encode your shit in RM, since 90% of computers have RealOne installed. The attachment and subtitle abilities of MKV makes for some promising abilites as far as AMV's go, and it would be a quick and easy method for spreading the usage of the format.

Oh yeah, christian, what's wrong with rmvb? I muxed a few rmvb files fine with MMG.
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Postby VicBond007 » Tue Aug 05, 2003 8:20 pm

Currently that's already covered with AVI.


Ever hear of mpeg1, the universal codec-less standard that's been playable on any operating system since Windows 3.11?

I tried the DivX thing, and I get about 5 emails a day asking for mpeg1 copies because people either A) Don't have DivX or B) their computers can't play it back full speed. According to my tests with my latest video, at 640x480 (max bitrate VBR) the video requires at least a 933MHz computer with MMX to playback properly (P3, P4, Thunderbird, Athlon, basically anything but the budget chips like the celeron or the duron). at 384x288 it's playable just fine on a P3-450, although things start to get ugly in fullscreen (which I attribute to the onboard video card that probably has oh, zero video overlay capabilities...). Mpeg1 might not look pretty at higher resolutions, but everyone can play it, and everyone can play it well.
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Postby VicBond007 » Tue Aug 05, 2003 8:22 pm

By your logic you may as well encode your shit in RM

and as a personal aside I would like to say that ErMaC's stuff is NOT shit!

Some of it's actually good ;)
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Postby Tab. » Tue Aug 05, 2003 8:58 pm

:P
shit's a generic replacement for stuff when you want to sound badass like I try to do all the time :o

Anyway, if you want massive out of box support, you're going to have to use old, established things. Old = outdated. In the digital video world pretty much the older you get the more support you get. AVI is old, very old. VFW is old. They're rusty. They suck. But any PC with windows installed can parse them. That's the power of a company that creates/sells operating systems en masse. Mpeg program streams are old. Not as old and rusty, with real b-frame support and vbr audio. But most if not all PC's have some sort of out of box directshow mpeg parser. That's the power of an established standard. Hopefully some day Mpeg 4 will reach that.
With codecs, it's the same thing. Windows comes with an indeo 4 decoder (used to come with 5 fuckin ligos). It comes with cinepak. If you want support, use these in an avi. Your videos will be huge and shit quality, but they'll have support. Again M$ controls your user base.
Or use the mpeg 1 codec. Along with the parsers come decoders. The power of a dominant standard.

Trace up to 1999 and you get msmpeg4 and divx. As you go up the timeline, you get codecs and formats which need more power to decode. DivX is still very conservative in this area. Most people have a divx 3 decoder, and if I'm not mistaken anyone could play back divx 3 anyway so long as they have the (locked) msmpeg4v3 codec on their system, which if they have any newer windows, they will.
Thanks to SBC, this is a great medium between support and quality. Unfortunately, divx is a suck ass hacked format and it's not exactly what I would want to base my stuff on as far as a standard goes. This is the power of M$ again, as well as a massive amount of rippers using the format.

Then you have stuff like RealMedia. RM is a self contained standard inside it's own company. Fortunately for RM, RealNetworks has managed to spread it's seed to a LOT of users. Due to the nature of the closed format, they can also manage codec downloads automatically when newer technologies within the format develop. This makes for a powerful standard itself, due to the nature of it's containment. Because of that, the latest codecs can be used without much difficulty for the user base. This is a great tradeoff between new and supported. Unfortunately, it's only good in theory, as RN has a bad history that degrades the power of an otherwise powerful concept.

Bump up on the timeline yet again and you get things like projectmayo, xvid, and divx 4-5x. While the mpeg-4 standard itself should provide solutions for this, it's immature and cannot fulfill it's purpose so far as playback and format goes with these early projects. As a result you get stuff like ISO mpeg 4 video streams being stored in avi format, the need for new decoders and vfw codecs. It's mainly the lateness of the mpeg 4 standard in comparison with the developmental codecs that's caused this mass confusion with formats and problems with inoperability. Then again, we can trace that to microsoft's genius idea to distribute msmpeg4 as an incomplete vfw codec.
The only power here is that of the distributors, and companies like DXN which are half acting on the mpeg4 standard by at least supplying ISO decoders. Most all what was said here for premature mpeg 4 codecs also applies to opensource formats like ogg and matroska.

Around this time you get shit like WMV popping up. Microsoft again as a company which most likely distros your OS, has the power to decide what formats are supported out of the box. This means WMV will have no problem gaining tons of support. A similarly good trade off as provided by RM, but also plagued with a bad reputation. Don't forget that microsoft is evil.

Finally, you have Mpeg 4 as a standard. In itself lies the ability to become as powerful as it's predecessor, but the standard is huge and has taken a long time to become adopted. Once it kicks in, ISO decoders and parsers will be available en masse as is with mpeg 1 today. Something like this can only gain support by companies which choose to include it in their products, and content providers such as ourselves who decide to use the format in their content.


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what the fuck did I just write
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Postby post-it » Tue Aug 05, 2003 9:12 pm

Tab. wrote:what the fuck did I just write


T_T no idea - but it looks impressive ^^

I'll stick with Alpha3.11 & the Vulture compression features
. . Divx 5 can play it and it looks better than RM & Mpeg1 at the feild sizes I use.
( 768 X 576 -or- 640 X 360 )
. . however, unless I missed something, Mpeg1 really should be the standard!
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