Working With D2V In Premiere

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Working With D2V In Premiere

Postby Beef » Mon Jul 29, 2002 4:08 pm

Ok, I read ermacs guide and I thought I followed everything perfectly, then I got a black screen in the monitor, so I changed the numbers in the avs file and it is still black. I did everything acording to the guide and have all of the necessary software so please help.

Another thing when I save to AVI in DVD2AVI and compress it with huffy all I get is a fuzzy scrambled screen, it works fing if I compress it with the low motion codec but it is way lower quality.

Please help!
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Postby silver_moon » Mon Jul 29, 2002 5:03 pm

OK... for the avisynth stuff...

I would suggest resizing your VOBs to 360 x 240.
Just add a line in your avisynth script that says this:

BilinearResize(360,240)

That will make the files much easier to work with in Premiere.

Make sure that you set your project settings (under Video) in Premiere are set to Square Pixels and also have them set to 720 x 480 (or 360 x 240 if you resized it). Expand the monitor window until the numbers say 720 x 480 (or 360 x 240). The picture should appear. If you're using 720 x 480, I know I had to take off the dual monitor window in order to stretch it big enough. And make sure that when you export your project, you have those settings set to Square Pixels and 360 x 240 as well otherwise you'll have a black screen when you play it back.

With the saving to avi thing... I don't know what's going on there... Huffyuv is known to do some pretty weird things sometimes. But if you're using avisynth, you won't be needing the huffyuv files. It'll save space if you use avisynth instead.

I hope that helped, if you get more problems post them 8)

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Postby Beef » Mon Jul 29, 2002 5:29 pm

Thanks for replying but it still does not work ;_;
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Postby FurryCurry » Mon Jul 29, 2002 9:24 pm

I, too, read the guide, but after neary 90 minutes of messing with my avisynth script, I got frustrated and got my footage another way.

Using Smartripper, I deselected everything but the video stream under the streams processing tab, checked the "demux to separate file" box, and let it run. When it finished, I changed the extension on the resulting file from .m2v to .mpg, so premiere would recognize it.

Boom, one full DVD res soundless movie @ 29.97fps, easily opened in Premiere, no problems. I'l use an area based deinterlacer or whatever on it after my vid is complete.
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Postby klinky » Tue Jul 30, 2002 12:36 pm

Get virtualdub, test the AVS script in there, it should work, if it doesn't then it will give you some sort of error, post back with the error.

Now in Premiere, have you set the pixel aspect to Square Pixels 1.0?
Are the video settings set to the proper resolution.

If the video is 720x480, video settings must be 720x480 w/ Square pixels 1.0 pixels.

If you're using ReduceBy2() or BiLinearResize(360,240), then make sure you also set the video to 360x240.

You can also try and drag the avs file into Media player, if there's a error with script then it will display big red letters describing the error


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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Tue Jul 30, 2002 3:23 pm

FurryCurry wrote:Using Smartripper, I deselected everything but the video stream under the streams processing tab, checked the "demux to separate file" box, and let it run. When it finished, I changed the extension on the resulting file from .m2v to .mpg, so premiere would recognize it.

Boom, one full DVD res soundless movie @ 29.97fps, easily opened in Premiere, no problems. I'l use an area based deinterlacer or whatever on it after my vid is complete.


Um.... what????

Premiere can't edit mpeg 2.

Unless it can utilise a direct show filter *goes to do some tests*
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Tue Jul 30, 2002 3:34 pm

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FurryCurry you are an idiot and a genius.


See, Premiere doesnt have mpeg2 support. However, I forgot that Premiere 6 likes to do things via Direct Show.

It is possible to install Direct Show filters for mpeg2 playback in windows, and it is likely that you have done this at some point wither with a codec pack or whatever.

In any case, I have double checked and confirmed that you can, in fact, open up mpeg2 video streams if you have the Elecard MPEG Video Decoder direct show filters installed.

You can get the Elucard decoder filters from here.

I don't really know if anyone else is aware of this, as I've never seen anyone use this method but you are indeed correct.

I don't know how stable it is though, I'm checking that now.
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Postby Beef » Tue Jul 30, 2002 3:38 pm

^_^!!!!!!!!!!!!! it dicided to work!!!!!!! I am so happy thanks everyone!!!!!
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Tue Jul 30, 2002 3:42 pm

OK, the Elucard filters suck.

Well, they have a logo in the corner and wehn exporting the video the frames jump back and forth like nobody's business.

So, I'll have to try other filters.

I know you can register powerdvd and windvd filters to work so I'm going to try those. If anyone else has some working mpeg2 filters that are stable for this kind of work then post them here.

Personally, I doubt whether this method can really be very stable during intensive editing. I have a feeling they will crash when using multiple files, but it's worth testing.
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Postby FurryCurry » Tue Jul 30, 2002 4:25 pm

I believe you're right about premiere glomming off the DVD software's filter. I noted this line in the helpfile of my DVD authoring software:

Included Cyberlink's PowerDVD player. MyDVD uses this player to decode MPEG-2 video streams; you can also use it to play DVDs.
Note: We have also included an installer for Ligos' LSX-MPEG player. This player fixes several problems with video playback; please see the Known Issues section for more information, especially if you use Windows NT.


Sure enough, it shows that LIGOS decoder being used to decode it in WMP properties.

When I opened the .mpg file across the network on my other machine with WMP, it shows the powerDVD codec as being used.

Here's the proof it works:
http://home.earthlink.net/~ronmcc/_uimages/rousize.gif
http://home.earthlink.net/~ronmcc/_uimages/rouprop.gif
http://home.earthlink.net/~ronmcc/_uimages/rouprem.jpg(220k)

Seems one should be able to get it to work if you have DVD playback software installed.

I'm only using the one movie for this vid, but hey, once you can open an mpeg2 file in Premiere, you can chop out and transcode whatever you want to the codec of your choice, ne?
I'm just using the movie as one big file, setting rough ins and outs in the clip window and dragging them to the timeline.
I'm rendering previews in Huffyuv.
No instabilities noted so far.
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Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Tue Jul 30, 2002 4:32 pm

FurryCurry wrote:I'm only using the one movie for this vid, but hey, once you can open an mpeg2 file in Premiere, you can chop out and transcode whatever you want to the codec of your choice, ne?


Well... yes but that's not the point. You can do that in virtualdub.

The point is to edit directly from the vobs and preferably multiple vobs. You can already edit perfectly well with one dvd2avi project file using the VFAPI virtual .avi maker. I'll try the Ligos codec out for stability and see if you can use multiple sources safely.

This will need serious testing though as it's uncertain how it will react to, say, using footage from multiple sources in one frame all with effects.

It's easy enough to test, though - I can just get it to render Shameless Rock Video from the mpg stream :)

I don't have a great deal of time for testing now but I'll try it later. Personally I think I'll be sticking to avisynth but if this is a working method then it's an alternative.
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Postby klinky » Tue Jul 30, 2002 6:46 pm

Wow, that's some neat stuff.


Just wish it worked better. The playback is fine in Premiere if you just dbl click on the file, but it's jerky once it's on the timeline.


Hmmmmm....



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Postby FurryCurry » Tue Jul 30, 2002 8:11 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:Well... yes but that's not the point. You can do that in virtualdub.

The point is to edit directly from the vobs and preferably multiple vobs. You can already edit perfectly well with one dvd2avi project file using the VFAPI virtual .avi maker. I'll try the Ligos codec out for stability and see if you can use multiple sources safely.

This will need serious testing though as it's uncertain how it will react to, say, using footage from multiple sources in one frame all with effects.

I don't have a great deal of time for testing now but I'll try it later. Personally I think I'll be sticking to avisynth but if this is a working method then it's an alternative.


I'm looking forward to seeing your results. I'll try a multi-source project when I finish the one I'm working on now. (my first! :? )

I just can't get avisynth or frameserving to work for me. I always get an error or a crash, no matter what. :x Only thing left for me to try is to recreate the d2v file as mentioned above in this thread. I *really* went over my avisynth script carefully, I just can't make it work.

BTW, "Shameless" owns. I need to learn all I can about how you did all that and get me some skoolin'. :D

klinky: I don't notice too much chop, and I partially blame the 5400rpm drive I have the source on. Maybe moving the audio to another drive might help smooth it out. Procs are nowhere near maxed during timeline playback, must be a throughput problem, for me at least.
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Postby klinky » Tue Jul 30, 2002 8:18 pm

What DVD authoring software are you using?


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Postby Zarxrax » Tue Jul 30, 2002 8:39 pm

Hmmm... Just wondering... why the hell DOENT premiere allow you to edit from MPEG-2 files? The prog costs so much, can't they buy the license or whatever thats required?
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