What concerns me is that this type of 'exhibit' we have here is far more influential and, in my view, reflected in the behaviours of the average sucker.
Gepetto wrote:megaman917 wrote:Just like how metal has, only God knows how, many sub-genres
I believe the Wikipedia calls those "weasel words". You didn't say it up front but you imply that Metal is too poor a music style to have proper "sub-genres".
The differences vary from the category of subjects to the emphasis given to guitar/drum solos, use of instruments like flutes and violins, proportion of the song's lenght that has vocals, predominant tempo, pitch and aspect of vocals, lexic style, metrification and other aspects. For example, in Power Metal the lyrics usually tend towards the "epic" style, and the solos are long and fast. Progresive Metal lyrics are usually metrificated and make a point of always rhyming words that are more or less in disuse, and the tempos are "irregular", like 16/8, as oppsoed to your usual 4/4 or 3/4. Death Metal vocals are the characteristic "growl and grunt" that is stereotipically associated with metal in general.
Hip-Hop has a lot of content rich songs, it's just a matter of finding them.I know I'm swaying off-topic here and I don't want to turn this into a discussion of what music style is "best", but allow me to say that metal (and most other musical genres) is a lot more content-rich than songs about bling-bling and clever phallic euphemisms. Enphasis on "clever".
Fall_Child42 wrote:megaman917 ... are you yourself more into that particular subculture? Your explanations are probably accurate, (though i'm not sure that ID4's explanations are as well thought out, for as far as i know the roots of hip-hop were coming out of a certain jazz, turned rebel commenting on the ills their particular minority were facing at the time.)
"In the good corner there's bands like Stryper Throwing bibles into the crowd and oh aren't their Farah Faucet wigs as lovely as Charelie's angels themselves?
and in the other corner we have the EVIL metal bands that speak of blood and Satan and horns like SLAYER and 10,000 other bands that sound exactly LIKE slayer. "
he goes on to describe the "next big thing in metal" as Islamic Metal
(it is a very entertaining speech dripping with sarcasm)
as for the capitalist reasons behind this music, I can totally see the white guys in business suits who "know what kids want" sitting in a meeting drinking their $7 starbucks grande mocha lattes and one of them stands up and says "urban kids like jewelery right? let's have one of these guys rap about their jewelery" yeah yeah awesome ... then they all get in their Porche SUVs and go drive down the street to by some congratulatory cocaine before going home to the wife and kids.
That right there is food for thought.I guess what I'm really wondering is how have we as a culture become so willing to accept and celebrate it?
To what extent is this influencing or influenced by the culture from which it comes?
Fall_Child42 wrote:I can totally see the white guys in business suits who "know what kids want" sitting in a meeting drinking their $7 starbucks grande mocha lattes and one of them stands up and says "urban kids like jewelery right? let's have one of these guys rap about their jewelery" yeah yeah awesome ...
nailz wrote:I can't imagine even RAPPERS having so little dignity that they'd degrade to writing songs based on what their record company tells them to write songs about.
megaman917 wrote:Hip-Hop has a lot of content rich songs, it's just a matter of finding them.I know I'm swaying off-topic here and I don't want to turn this into a discussion of what music style is "best", but allow me to say that metal (and most other musical genres) is a lot more content-rich than songs about bling-bling and clever phallic euphemisms. Enphasis on "clever".
megaman917 wrote:Based on several threads that I've come across here in the Music forum, metal has a long ass list of sub-genres (correct me if I'm wrong).
Fall_Child42 wrote:Islamic Metal
Fall_Child42 wrote:congratulatory cocaine
Otohiko wrote:What concerns me is that this type of 'exhibit' we have here is far more influential and, in my view, reflected in the behaviours of the average sucker.
Gepetto wrote:... the current GreenDay, which flipped from a <b>soft, ballad-like rock</b> to Punk Rock and released a flood of identical albums in very little time...
nailz wrote:Whats the deal with his teeth? Does anyone else find that absolutely revolting?
Popsa wrote:...
And it's simply just impossible to not eat this rubbish
...
They are the idols of our youth, for them they go insane
They need to have a lot of money and a lot of other shit
They're excellent artists, they're great in all ways
They must have everything in the world, except for a soul
...
Ooooh, popsa!
Pink bullshit from the horns to the tail
Otohiko wrote:Here's a question:
What music do you think is the alternative to modern-day popsa? Surely hard punk or death metal wouldn't work for most people, awesome though some specimens of that may be...
Otohiko wrote:I think it's a little naive to think that complex music would be 'up' with everyone (I'm sure you realize that well enough, of course).
Scintilla wrote:Gepetto wrote:... the current GreenDay, which flipped from a <b>soft, ballad-like rock</b> to Punk Rock and released a flood of identical albums in very little time...
I really never thought that songs like "Minority" and "Holiday" were that far off from "Basket Case" and "Welcome to Paradise" in spirit, personally...
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