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Postby Jace Tsunami » Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:06 am

I have proof, where is yours?

why don't you try mine?

3 bands, pick one, any one at all

http://www.finchmusic.com/
^Finch

http://www.theused.net/
^The Used

http://www.thrice.net/
^Thrice

Downlaod off of kazaa anyone of these bands, or go to their websites and check them out.

When I mean drop it, I mean drop your notion you know everything, open your you head to outside knowledge. If you'd stop being so stubborn you'd of already checked out one of these bands and listened to them by now. Punk is no rock, go find rock fans that like tool and stuff, and tell them how similar they are, most rock fans hate punk. Punk is punk, it's its own genre, and classifys bands like the ramones. Punk rock is the mixing of rock/metal with punk. All three of these bands are punk rock, listen to any one of them, you could even just to go amazon.com and test their stuff there if you want.
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Postby Outlaw Desire » Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:13 am

Hey Tsnuami, i think its time i bumped in, you say chef doesnt know what he is talking about, yet in most of your posts i see only 3 bands you use to support yourself, i can only help but think, this is all that you know. Lets give a good example of "punk" today, the unseen, anti-flag, against all authority. These bands are in now way as good as "punk" before, lets go with your guy's argument, and say 1994. The Subhumans, would blow those bands away, thats just one "punk" band im using, i have a library of 'em, try me if you "dont think I know what im talking about" Im not a fan of "punk", i already said what i like, although, i did like "punk" before lets call it, this revolution of crappy "punk" bands.
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Postby Chef » Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:16 am

GODDAMMIT I DONT KNOW EVERYTHING

and thats 3 bands that youve listed over and over. 3 bands doesnt constitute a genre.

what proof, those 3 bands are dictating that the ramones arent punk rock but they are?

i cant "check out one (or any) of these bands". i have reasons, ill do it tomorrow, to be fair.

tool and stuff? explain further.

i am a rock fan. tool, led zeppelin, nine inch nails, jimi hendrix. i am a punk fan. ramones, clash, sex pistols, and the other bands that are different punk, blondie, talking heads, plus husker du, bad religion, offspring, green day. most of the people i know are the same way.

punk is rock. punk was just rock sung by angry twentysomethings with marginal talent. people say its different but its just attitude that set them apart.
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Postby Rozard » Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:16 am

I've talked to Chef about music many times. He may be only 15, but he knows his shit. You're talking about punk rock, which is not dead. Chef's saying punk is dead, which it is. Punk is not the same as punk rock. Also, Blink-182 isn't punk rock, they're pop punk.

The big problem is that everyone has become so specified and genred that some people don't understand why it's important, and bleed one genre into another in discussion. Then there are people who feel that they have to get up someone's ass if they mislabel a band's style of music. I could understand some basic mistakes, like calling Marilyn Manson's music punk (I actually saw this way back in the phorum) Another thing that I find odd is that the alternative rock stations where I live play Eminem. I'm seen some people here so uptight that I'm afraid to say "techno" anymore because it displays my so-called ignorance. At any rate, I'm rambling. Let's just drop this. There's no way to prove on person is right and the other's wrong.

One last thing: Someone's age doesn't impose a standard of knowledge. If that were true, than every historian in the would could be called a fucking asshole because they weren't actually there when the history happened.
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:20 am

I use those three because they are the best three to use to represent punk rock. Further seems forever, thrusday, and taking back sunday are all good examples too, you can ask me anything and I'll back it up. And I'm open to other things. I havn't or wouldn't say you don't know what you're talking about because you seem like you do know, chef's information is forever changing, and he claims to know so much, yet he barley knows at all, which would be fine if he didn't insist that he did. And if he does, i sincerley apologize, but where is the proof in any of what he's saying?
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Postby Chef » Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:24 am

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU, IM CONSTANTLY SAYING I DONT KNOW EVERYTHING

thank you rozard

so im bad at wording things. my point is, punk is dead, punk rock is shit, pop punk is an oxymoron and sucks. yes, my information changes, im a bad debater.

theres another thing that pisses me off, alternative isnt alternative anymore, its mainstream. real alternative is now pretty much blues and art poppy rock.
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Postby Outlaw Desire » Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:25 am

Wait, tell me I read that wrong, did you just say that taking back sunday was a "punk" band?
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:25 am

Rozard wrote:I've talked to Chef about music many times. He may be only 15, but he knows his shit. You're talking about punk rock, which is not dead. Chef's saying punk is dead, which it is. Punk is not the same as punk rock. Also, Blink-182 isn't punk rock, they're pop punk.


You know what you're tlaking about, and this is exactly what I've been saying. Chef is against this, he thinks all punk is the same, yet diffrence in sound between punk to pop-punk, to punk-rock, to emo-punk is all incredibly diffrent. He is refusing to understand this, or even ackowledge it's a possibility. He knows the ramones sound, he also knows they're punk, he knows blinks latest sound (hopefully good enough to know they're pop-punk) and I gave him three great examples of punk-rock, I also gave outlaw desire three more. All I want him to do is open up his mind, he doesn't know everything, and in this particular situation, he isn't right either. Just because some one can know a lot, doesn't mean they know everything.
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:28 am

Chef wrote:WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU, IM CONSTANTLY SAYING I DONT KNOW EVERYTHING

thank you rozard

so im bad at wording things. my point is, punk is dead, punk rock is shit, pop punk is an oxymoron and sucks. yes, my information changes, im a bad debater.

theres another thing that pisses me off, alternative isnt alternative anymore, its mainstream. real alternative is now pretty much blues and art poppy rock.


that is the FIRST time you've said this, so what ever you've been thinking as you've typed you must be right, you're a bad debator. But, alas, you've met my requirments, and I have no need to harras/argue/or torment you any longer, this argument is done. But if you did like punk at one time like you said, you might want to check those bands out anyways, they kick ass, or atleast I think so.
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Postby Chef » Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:29 am

DAMMIT IVE MADE AN ASS OF MYSELF

punk rock=punk

punk-rock=...not punk

missed the hyphen every time

ill shut up about this if you dont make a "see, i was right" post
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:31 am

Outlaw Desire wrote:Wait, tell me I read that wrong, did you just say that taking back sunday was a "punk" band?


That is what I said, and what I think. Amazon classified them in several ways but pretty much the same, here they are

Styles > Alternative Rock > Hardcore & Punk > Emo
Styles > Alternative Rock > General
Indie Music > Alternative Rock > General
Indie Music > Alternative Rock > Hardcore & Punk
Indie Music > Alternative Rock > Hardcore & Punk > Emo

if they're not punk, what they, to you?
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:32 am

Chef wrote:DAMMIT IVE MADE AN ASS OF MYSELF
ill shut up about this if you dont make a "see, i was right" post


done :wink:
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Postby Rozard » Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:41 am

And all is well :D

I hate when shit happens over someone "misclassifying" something and pissing another person off.
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Mon Dec 02, 2002 1:47 am

btw rozard, incase you didn't see it on the other forum, I wanted to make sure you got the message. For all the things you had to say to -ssj2gohan-, I say

Touche!
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Postby Rozard » Mon Dec 02, 2002 2:07 am

Touchè indeed 8)
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