I already know about Steve DiGiorgio and Scott Clendenin, 'Arry, Martin Mendez and Johan DeFarfalla, Tony Choy and Sean Malone, Jason Newsted, Alex Webster, Cryptopsy's bassist (can't think of his name)...I can't really think of anybody else sadly

Tono_Fyr wrote:Oliver Holzwarth
Hansi Kursch before he went all vocals.
Piet Sielck is the frontman for Iron Savior, and they've done some really bass-intensive stuff.

NicholasDWolfwood wrote:Newsted was a better bassist than Cliff.

NicholasDWolfwood wrote:Burton may have known theory and he could have been a technically good bassist,
NicholasDWolfwood wrote:but when did he ever apply it? 99% of the stuff that Burton did with Metallica followed the guitars.
NicholasDWolfwood wrote:Cliff was only in Metallica for 6 years.
NicholasDWolfwood wrote:Let's just talk about Newsted's work with Metallica though. Most of the ...And Justice For All basslines are pretty creative, not to mention he wrote most of Blackened. My Friend of Misery, possibly the most recognizable Newsted bass piece for Metallica; simple, but effective.
Zaphod_Beeblebrox wrote:What more can you really ask of an instrumentalist exactly?
Most of the stuff on Master of Puppets is very easy. Playing Battery and Master of Puppets back to back is simple. I haven't tried learn the rest of the album because my time has gone to Death and Nile. Ah yes, and most of Cliff's lines can be played with two fingers. The only ones I can think of that should be/have to be played with three are Battery and Fight Fire with Fire since they're more galloping based, especially at the tempo they're at.Yeah, in the recorded versions, live he was a whole different animal, the solos are some of the most difficult pieces of non-slapped bass you will ever hear, the fact that he played almost exclusively with his fingers using 3, sometime all four on his right hand, trust me, i can play some of his lines with a pick, but i'm no where near most of the whole of 'master of puppets' (album) with fingers.
That's the worst argument i ever heard. The man died, who knows what would have happened if he hadn't.
Hmm, right, and how are the same riffs over and over and over again inventive? Cliff instigated time signature changes, sprawling instrumental sections, bass solos, truly meaningful lyrics, what did Newstead do? My Friend of Misery? The man couldn't even be bothered to follow the guitar properly, god only knows what Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning would have sounded like had newstead got his hands on them.
If it's so boring, why does the crowd hugely pop for it every time they play it, hmm?And as for blackened...damn that's one boring, long-ass song, and apocalyptic lyrics...whooo, thats never been done before, has it?

NicholasDWolfwood wrote:Zaphod_Beeblebrox wrote:What more can you really ask of an instrumentalist exactly?
It was more of an "if, then" statement than a truth statement. Obviously Cliff knew theory, but whether he was a technically good bassist is up for debate, since, well, he didn't do much.
NicholasDWolfwood wrote:Most of the stuff on Master of Puppets is very easy. Playing Battery and Master of Puppets back to back is simple. I haven't tried learn the rest of the album because my time has gone to Death and Nile. Ah yes, and most of Cliff's lines can be played with two fingers. The only ones I can think of that should be/have to be played with three are Battery and Fight Fire with Fire since they're more galloping based, especially at the tempo they're at.
Also, the solos that Cliff played are nothing special. Whoopy, he played with distortion and wah.
NicholasDWolfwood wrote:That's the worst argument i ever heard. The man died, who knows what would have happened if he hadn't.
My arguement is that he didn't have time to prove how good he was or could have been, there's no way to predict he wouldn't have left the band after Puppets, or there's no way to predict that he would have had a greater influence on their work than he already did.
NicholasDWolfwood wrote:Hmm, right, and how are the same riffs over and over and over again inventive? Cliff instigated time signature changes, sprawling instrumental sections, bass solos, truly meaningful lyrics, what did Newstead do? My Friend of Misery? The man couldn't even be bothered to follow the guitar properly, god only knows what Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning would have sounded like had newstead got his hands on them.
"Sprawling instrumental sections"? Nothing that Metallica did in the first three albums was hard. Hetfield wrote most of the lyrics for Metallica, he always has. Bass solos? I'd hardly call them "bass' solos, more like a mess of distortion.
As far as Newsted, he probably would have improved them a little. Newsted was restricted greatly in Metallica up until Load/ReLoad. Not to mention anything he ever did in Metallica is smothered by his work on Flotsam and Jetsam's debut, "Doomsday for the Deceiver." Listen to it before you judge Newsted, thanks.
NicholasDWolfwood wrote:And as for blackened...damn that's one boring, long-ass song, and apocalyptic lyrics...whooo, thats never been done before, has it?
If it's so boring, why does the crowd hugely pop for it every time they play it, hmm?

NicholasDWolfwood wrote:St. Anger is a step in the right direction. Obviously you have no sense of music at all if you don't believe that it was thrashier than anything they've done since AJFA.
NicholasDWolfwood wrote:Recommend some good metal bass players.
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