Who else is sick of NEW ROCK?

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Postby RamonesFan2020204 » Tue Aug 19, 2003 9:13 pm

What man? I hope you aren't talking about God.
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Tue Aug 19, 2003 9:32 pm

RamonesFan2020204 wrote:What man? I hope you aren't talking about God.


Look, I think there's something you need to grasp here.

Shit like this has started countless wars in the past.

You need to accept there are people that are diffrent than you. Not everyone has the same beliefs and opinions.

Whether you agree with person 'X' or not, you need to accept them for who they are, and understand it's not going to hurt you.

I'll tell you right now that I don't believ ein God, and the last fucking thing I want, is for you to lecture me on how I'm going to hell, andf there's a God, and all this other bull shit.

Do you believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny? I find God just as rediculous, so i don't want to hear you tell me I should be devoting my life to him.

It goes the other way around as well. If you've noticed everyone here has pretty much been respecting you. I'm not making a list as to why you shouldn't believe in God, I'm not trying to force shit on you.

Even if he did say somehting disrespectfull about God, HE said it, not you, it's non of your buisness. If there is a God, it's simply between him and God.


I'm saying this now ebcause I don't want a fucking 20 page thread of flames to one another over religion and having diffrent beleifs.

We've respected you, so just let it go.
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Postby ithaqua » Tue Aug 19, 2003 10:38 pm

For the record, "the man" is a generic term used to describe those people/ideas/institutions you want to or have to resist.

Jace, you are one smart person.

RamonesFan, not all music is Christian, not all non-Christian music is "evil", and not even all anti-christian (satanic or muslim or athiestic or whatever) is "evil".
Don't judge all music by Manson, he's a crappy standard.
Now, go listen to whatever the hell you want, and don't feel the need to justify it by any standard other than whether you enjoy listening to it. Music can't change who you are, only your actions can.
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Postby RamonesFan2020204 » Tue Aug 19, 2003 10:51 pm

Jace Tsunami wrote:
RamonesFan2020204 wrote:What man? I hope you aren't talking about God.


Look, I think there's something you need to grasp here.

Shit like this has started countless wars in the past.

You need to accept there are people that are diffrent than you. Not everyone has the same beliefs and opinions.

Whether you agree with person 'X' or not, you need to accept them for who they are, and understand it's not going to hurt you.

I'll tell you right now that I don't believ ein God, and the last fucking thing I want, is for you to lecture me on how I'm going to hell, andf there's a God, and all this other bull shit.

Do you believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny? I find God just as rediculous, so i don't want to hear you tell me I should be devoting my life to him.

It goes the other way around as well. If you've noticed everyone here has pretty much been respecting you. I'm not making a list as to why you shouldn't believe in God, I'm not trying to force shit on you.

Even if he did say somehting disrespectfull about God, HE said it, not you, it's non of your buisness. If there is a God, it's simply between him and God.


I'm saying this now ebcause I don't want a fucking 20 page thread of flames to one another over religion and having diffrent beleifs.

We've respected you, so just let it go.



Whew! I'm not coming to this place anymore! See you around! I want to go to heaven when I die, thanks. Bye.
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Postby Nurd » Tue Aug 19, 2003 10:56 pm

RamonesFan2020204 wrote:What man? I hope you aren't talking about God.


Well, no, I'm not, nor would I. I was talking about you. The "Hells coming with you" was just a conveniently modified quote from "Tombstone" the movie with Kurt Russel, Val Kilmer, et al.

Other than that clarification, I will defer to Jace's statement regarding accepting people for who they are. I may poke fun, but I have no disrespect towards you. I merely attempt to point out ways in which you can improve how you present yourself. My satirical tone is meant only as emphasis.

Also, I want you to think for yourself. Using your mom as an argument was a bad idea. If it's what *YOU* think, that's all good. If you believe it merely because someone else told you to, whether it be a parent, authority figure, or otherwise, I feel that you are doing yourself, and humanity at large a great disservice by not researching it yourself.

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Postby Nurd » Tue Aug 19, 2003 11:00 pm

RamonesFan2020204 wrote:Whew! I'm not coming to this place anymore! See you around! I want to go to heaven when I die, thanks. Bye.


Analysis: You need to clarify your statements if you want them to be taken seriously. This looks to be a complete non-sequitir.

Or you are claiming that accepting people for who they are and not trying to change their beliefs to match yours will somehow keep you out of heaven?

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Postby Jace Tsunami » Tue Aug 19, 2003 11:04 pm

RamonesFan2020204 wrote:Whew! I'm not coming to this place anymore! See you around! I want to go to heaven when I die, thanks. Bye.


wow, EXACTLY one of the many reasons i'm not religous.

I wonder which church this kid goes to that this forum scares him about Heaven.

I don't think you could sin here if you tried.

But, what ever floats your boat, as long as everyone is happy.
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Postby kilik^ » Wed Aug 20, 2003 12:01 am

Jace Tsunami wrote:
RamonesFan2020204 wrote:What man? I hope you aren't talking about God.


You need to accept there are people that are diffrent than you. Not everyone has the same beliefs and opinions.


God does not tell you to avoid the people who do not believe in him, god like jace said and i quote wants you to accept people with different opinions or beliefs and if its possibly try to see the good qualities and try to change the bad ones; the bible never said "turn your back on bad people". thats why people tend to think that believing in god or bieng religious is just wrong because stupid and ignorant people like RamonesFan2020204 start talking shit without having the right concept of things and clearly just bad interpretation. personally i think that is better for u to go, and come back when your brain is fully developed.
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Postby Evil Urchin » Wed Aug 20, 2003 12:04 am

Sigh, I was hoping this thread wouldn't degrade into that. Oh well, since I haven't gotten a chance to add in my two bits, I must say that I'm basically not a fan of most current bands, simply because in my eyes many of them have totally lost touch with artistic vision and have fallen to gimmiks and cash raking. Not that I am against people making money, but when it dominates your artistic vision, what's the point of even trying anymore? For every Tool there is a System of a Down, for every KMFDM there is a Marylin Manson of NIN, for every King Crimson...well, you get the idea(plus I couldn't think of anything to go with King Crimson). That's why I generally stick to older rock unless I find a good indy band like Jim's Big Ego or something along those lines.

Oh, and on another note, while I may say I hate rap and country, that's just because I'm unfairly generalizing for the sake of brevity. I like some of the older rap and some underground rap/hip hop, and as for country, well, I don't really listen to enough of it to really say, but I can state that Credence Clearwater Revival and Cracker are awesome, although they are not pure country and mix a good amount of rock in.

So as for "New Rock" as Mr. Ramonesfan/fanatical Christian called it, I see it as the same as any other group, whether it be music, anime, people, whatever: "There are a couple of winners, and a whole lotta losers" - George Carlin

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Postby Jace Tsunami » Wed Aug 20, 2003 12:29 am

kilik^ wrote:
Jace Tsunami wrote:
RamonesFan2020204 wrote:What man? I hope you aren't talking about God.


You need to accept there are people that are diffrent than you. Not everyone has the same beliefs and opinions.


God does not tell you to avoid the people who do not believe in him, god like jace said and i quote wants you to accept people with different opinions or beliefs and if its possibly try to see the good qualities and try to change the bad ones; the bible never said "turn your back on bad people". thats why people tend to think that believing in god or bieng religious is just wrong because stupid and ignorant people like RamonesFan2020204 start talking shit without having the right concept of things and clearly just bad interpretation. personally i think that is better for u to go, and come back when your brain is fully developed.


I didn't say god says or wants anything, I simply said accept people, it avoids conflict and problems, I said these things.

and this:
try to change the bad ones


Fuck that shit. I'm happy. I don't believ ein god or what not, and I'm doing good.

You completley missed the point of my post.

I AM NOT enforcing lectures, advice, or anything of the sort. Whether or not it be good or bad.
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Postby kilik^ » Wed Aug 20, 2003 1:21 am

hey sorry ! i just quote that phrase that u said and said my thoughts to him, the post was directed to him. :oops: sorry next time i'll be more specific
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Postby Jace Tsunami » Wed Aug 20, 2003 1:28 am

it's ok, it's just easyer if we don't do anything at all, you know?

I mean I know your religion teaches you should help others become better people or what not, and guide them towards your religion, but I say, wait until they want it.

If some one is curious, go for it. But just offering lectures and advice out of no where only causes problems.

Anyways, it's cool, and I think he left. He seemed pretty freaked out.

I wonder if that kid has ever masturbated :lol:
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Postby Farlo » Wed Aug 20, 2003 4:10 am

you wont go to hell...

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i promise :twisted:
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Postby Otohiko » Wed Aug 20, 2003 7:12 am

God please fuck my mind fucker!
Oh fuck that thing!...

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Man, was I not expecting him to be some wacko Christian!

And no way that theory about him being a mormon could be true!
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Postby RavenBlaze » Wed Aug 20, 2003 9:35 am

Sweet, Hes Gone. Who Wants To Blast Some Satyricon? Six Feet Under? Fear Factory Maybe?
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