Otohiko wrote:Ok, chill.
Rap, personally, I attribute more to poetry than to music. Really, because it is.
Real music - please don't mess with that definition. Look in my profile to see why (that's been there since I joined).
Questions:
1) What is a real instrument?
2) What is nu-metal?
3) What is music?
My current answers...
1) Anything that produces sound when manipulated by a human
2) Let's just say that if it's what I think it means, I'd be addressing people who DON'T like it in most unpleasant terms.
3) Arrangment of sounds in time.
Otohiko wrote:Thanks to the latest two posters for a drop of reason in this conversation![]()
Of course objective judgement of music is useless! It's all based on perception, and as you may have noticed - perception is subjective. Unless you're someone like Serpico, but we know what happens to such people
the music is talented because the constant variation in time signatures is hard to pull of well and keep a steady flow in the song. Why is something creative, ( yes, creative ) prove how he/she may have merged two styles or how the structure is based off some form of natural poetry that no one's ever brought forth.
Otohiko wrote:As far as my definition of real music, or talented music if you will - music that is played with intention, music that is played at a sufficient (note: not neccesarily high) technical level, music that is intellegent in nature. I find bringing in empirical measures kind of useless.
But if you go by what you're suggesting -the music is talented because the constant variation in time signatures is hard to pull of well and keep a steady flow in the song. Why is something creative, ( yes, creative ) prove how he/she may have merged two styles or how the structure is based off some form of natural poetry that no one's ever brought forth.
then the choices for the title of the greatest band in the universe are pretty darn limited... But it's a fact that most people are hardly interested in complex or unusual music.
Erm... anyways. How the heck did we get to this from a discussion of Rap?
Huh?????????
Too many words....
Nonagon wrote:If we were to objectively debate music, you can't throw in your own tastes, but tell us WHY it's the most talented or complex, and why everyone should think so. Casting aside personal opinions. Why are the lyrics so thoughtworthy and meaningful, compare them to famous poets. Bring in theory, <i>the music is talented because the constant variation in time signatures is hard to pull of well and keep a steady flow in the song.</i> Why is something creative, ( yes, creative ) prove how he/she may have merged two styles or how the structure is based off some form of natural poetry that no one's ever brought forth.
Avoid words such as: <i>good, bad, garbage, etc. etc.</i>
And there you go. Always back up your arguement with objective reason.
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Though, I've never seen anyone cast of their opinion for the outcome of objectivity. At least on this message board anyway.
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